jammergreg Z-Natic   Life is 90% Attitude 10% Knowledge and Skills Posts: 2,599 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 29, 2013 21:42:45 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by jammergreg on Jul 29, 2013 21:42:45 GMT -7 Anyone A B them? I have a G12H in a 16ohm non Z cab that is Magic....will the Creamback make more Magic than the G12HIn my Magic cab?...This cab is Killer. | | DR Z Z-Lux in the house & 7 other Zs gone but not forgotten. Friedman Runt 20 Head w/2 1X12 Creamback cabs Don Grosh RC 22 years old ,w/ Lindy Fralin pups. PRS McCarty Singlecut 594 semi hollow Wood library | |
Deleted Deleted Member  Posts: 0 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 29, 2013 22:15:40 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 22:15:40 GMT -7 Yes it will the creamback has a little more flavor then the G12H30 IMHO. I was a huge G12H30 fan but once I went to the gold I was sold on the gold.Then the creamback came out and now I have two cabs with the creamback in them. I can only imagine how good it would sound with your Antidote. | | Last Edit: Jul 29, 2013 22:15:58 GMT -7 by Deleted | |
| jammergreg Z-Natic Life is 90% Attitude 10% Knowledge and Skills Posts: 2,599 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 29, 2013 23:47:46 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by jammergreg on Jul 29, 2013 23:47:46 GMT -7 Thanks for chiming in Rev. That is all I wanted to hear. I'm gonna stay at 16 ohms. there is something I like about the 16 vs 8. | | DR Z Z-Lux in the house & 7 other Zs gone but not forgotten. Friedman Runt 20 Head w/2 1X12 Creamback cabs Don Grosh RC 22 years old ,w/ Lindy Fralin pups. PRS McCarty Singlecut 594 semi hollow Wood library | |
Sam Full Member   Absolutely chuffed with the Antidote! Posts: 167 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 30, 2013 14:25:09 GMT -7 via mobile Quote - Select Post
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Post by Sam on Jul 30, 2013 14:25:09 GMT -7 Both awesome speakers. I have the G12 in my MAZ38 but I have to say the Antidote with the Creamback is a perfect match. | | Gear: Dr Z Antidote (Blonde) Dr Z 1x12 Cab (Celestion Creamback) Dr Z MAZ38 (Blonde) PRS DGT x 4 | |
Maddog Made-Man   Posts: 16,284  | Creamback vs G12H Jul 30, 2013 14:39:59 GMT -7 Sam likes this Quote - Select Post
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Post by Maddog on Jul 30, 2013 14:39:59 GMT -7 One of the biggest differences is the G12H30 is a 100db speaker.....The Creamback is 97db....Significant perceived volume difference. | | -Lee"People sleep easy in their beds because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." “To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.” Location: "Deep in the Heart of Texas" (Near the Alamo)///O-O\\\ John and Yoko |||- -||| | |
| jammergreg Z-Natic Life is 90% Attitude 10% Knowledge and Skills Posts: 2,599 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 30, 2013 16:52:07 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by jammergreg on Jul 30, 2013 16:52:07 GMT -7 If it's just Volume I have a GREAT attenuator, I hope there is a tonal increase in quality. I'll get one soon. | | DR Z Z-Lux in the house & 7 other Zs gone but not forgotten. Friedman Runt 20 Head w/2 1X12 Creamback cabs Don Grosh RC 22 years old ,w/ Lindy Fralin pups. PRS McCarty Singlecut 594 semi hollow Wood library | |
Mark (Basement Enthusiast) Z-Natic  Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 4,342 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 30, 2013 19:34:16 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jul 30, 2013 19:34:16 GMT -7 Well, I haven't directly A/B'ed them (although I suppose I could one of these days) but the bigger-magnet G12H will have a bit more highs & lows than the smaller-magnet Creamback. The Creamback is very, very close to the G12M Greenback reissue, if you've ever heard or played that one.Check out the videos by Rivera (the amp company) on YouTube. There's a video where they play like 15 speakers against one another—most of which are Celestions—by repeating the same riffs. With all other stuff being equal, it's a helpful way to evaluate the sonic differences from one speaker to the next. (Not perfect, but a whole lot cheaper than buying 'em all and playing them yourself.) | | Currently own or have owned:M12, Z-Plus, Rx JS, Z Wreck Jr, Carmen Ghia, MAZ 18 Jr NR, Monza, Z-28, Route 66, Therapy, DB4, Remedy, Prescription, EZG-50, SRZ-65 LE, & Delta 88Z-Drive | Brake Lite SA & Air Brake | |
| jammergreg Z-Natic Life is 90% Attitude 10% Knowledge and Skills Posts: 2,599 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 30, 2013 22:40:33 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by jammergreg on Jul 30, 2013 22:40:33 GMT -7 Jul 30, 2013 19:34:16 GMT -7 Mark (Basement Enthusiast) said:Well, I haven't directly A/B'ed them (although I suppose I could one of these days) but the bigger-magnet G12H will have a bit more highs & lows than the smaller-magnet Creamback. The Creamback is very, very close to the G12M Greenback reissue, if you've ever heard or played that one.Check out the videos by Rivera (the amp company) on YouTube. There's a video where they play like 15 speakers against one another—most of which are Celestions—by repeating the same riffs. With all other stuff being equal, it's a helpful way to evaluate the sonic differences from one speaker to the next. (Not perfect, but a whole lot cheaper than buying 'em all and playing them yourself.)Thanks! i'll check the Rivera vids. | | DR Z Z-Lux in the house & 7 other Zs gone but not forgotten. Friedman Runt 20 Head w/2 1X12 Creamback cabs Don Grosh RC 22 years old ,w/ Lindy Fralin pups. PRS McCarty Singlecut 594 semi hollow Wood library | |
| Deleted Deleted Member Posts: 0 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 30, 2013 22:57:43 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 22:57:43 GMT -7 Jul 30, 2013 14:25:09 GMT -7 Sam said:Both awesome speakers. I have the G12 in my MAZ38 but I have to say the Antidote with the Creamback is a perfect match.Thanks for posting this I don't have an anitidote. I have the remedy and was curious about the Antidote with the creamback.Thanks for the confirmation. I figured that the creamback at 97 db would allow you to get more out of those 45 watts.I found that to be a huge factor with the Remedy. I can get great tone at reasonable volumes. | |
John Made-Man  Posts: 14,238 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 31, 2013 8:29:13 GMT -7 Telemanic and deltone like this Quote - Select Post
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Post by John on Jul 31, 2013 8:29:13 GMT -7 I know there are lots of guys that like the G12H and the Doc puts then in several of his cabs/combos....but.....It's no secret I don't like the G12H. It's loud (as Maddog says), at 100db, it's very loud. It's got a huge 50oz. magnet giving it a big robust bottom end. In my opinion...too much. It also has crispy highs. The end result is a speaker that is very 'scooped' in tone. Lots of bass and highs...recessed mids. It's a very cool speaker if you're not playing with a band, or if you're recording. But in a live situation, I can't stand it. To a large extent, mids are where it's at for live gigging. (why has everyone liked the Celestion blue for 50 years? midrange!) When ever I've used a G12H in a gigging situation, I end up with too much bass and highs, and I can't hear the mids. It just gets lost in the mix. The Creamback on the other hand has lots of mids. With a smaller 35oz magnet, the bass isn't as robust/firm/loud....and that's what I want. Less bass lets the mids come through.And I really like the fact that the creamback is a 3db quieter speaker. 3db is an amount you can really heard the difference. You can run the amp hotter. | | Last Edit: Jul 31, 2013 8:31:21 GMT -7 by John "Every note sounds like you're rattling a bunch of tin cans and old chicken bones around inside a plastic paint bucket."...Flealux I'm not playing the gig for the money....but don't try to screw me on the money. | |
| Mark (Basement Enthusiast) Z-Natic Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 4,342 | Creamback vs G12H Jul 31, 2013 11:19:35 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Jul 31, 2013 11:19:35 GMT -7 ^ I totally concur with John, especially regarding the G12H having a bigger bottom-end, "crispy highs", and being "scooped" overall.To my ears, the Creamback is very much like a G12M Greenback reissue but can handle more power—perhaps it's a bit less harsh but they're very close. | | Currently own or have owned:M12, Z-Plus, Rx JS, Z Wreck Jr, Carmen Ghia, MAZ 18 Jr NR, Monza, Z-28, Route 66, Therapy, DB4, Remedy, Prescription, EZG-50, SRZ-65 LE, & Delta 88Z-Drive | Brake Lite SA & Air Brake | |
| jammergreg Z-Natic Life is 90% Attitude 10% Knowledge and Skills Posts: 2,599 | Creamback vs G12H Aug 1, 2013 0:43:24 GMT -7 Sam likes this Quote - Select Post
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Post by jammergreg on Aug 1, 2013 0:43:24 GMT -7 I could use a tad more mids.  OK! Creamback here I come. | | DR Z Z-Lux in the house & 7 other Zs gone but not forgotten. Friedman Runt 20 Head w/2 1X12 Creamback cabs Don Grosh RC 22 years old ,w/ Lindy Fralin pups. PRS McCarty Singlecut 594 semi hollow Wood library | |
| Jefferson Z-Natic Posts: 3,418 | Creamback vs G12H Aug 1, 2013 8:53:29 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by Jefferson on Aug 1, 2013 8:53:29 GMT -7 you wont regret it! to my ears the creamback really captures the smooth creamy mids and shimmery top end of the blue/gold but has more bottom end which i find useful. all that and quieter to boot. Its one of my favorite speakers ever. | |
Abandoned Big Kahuna   Posts: 518 | Creamback vs G12H Aug 21, 2013 5:36:23 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by Abandoned on Aug 21, 2013 5:36:23 GMT -7 So would a creamback in place of a G12H30 in a Z-Best cab be a good idea? | | JAB | |
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Post by doctorice on Aug 21, 2013 5:48:35 GMT -7 Jul 30, 2013 14:25:09 GMT -7 Sam said:Both awesome speakers. I have the G12 in my MAZ38 but I have to say the Antidote with the Creamback is a perfect match.Even with just one hour playing time, I agree  | | MikeGear piled high. Talent? Must be hidden in there somewhere.THIS IS WHERE YOU FINDAmp Settings: michaelgiliberto.com/Page_2.html ordocs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12PqamkxVsRiTVnw3FJfHio4HyPObyazhN1UQnnP1490/edit?usp=sharing | |
| John Made-Man Posts: 14,238 | Creamback vs G12H Aug 21, 2013 7:22:33 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by John on Aug 21, 2013 7:22:33 GMT -7 Aug 21, 2013 5:36:23 GMT -7 Abandoned said:So would a creamback in place of a G12H30 in a Z-Best cab be a good idea?Yes and no...In most Z-best cabs, it's a G12H and a V30...both are 100db speakers. They're a nice match because the H has the bass....the V30 has the mids. They compliment each other.However, if you take out the H and put in a M Creamback. (we have to make the distinction now...because there's now an H creamback) The V30 will to a large extent, drown out the creamback. V30 at 100db will be much louder than a creamback at 97db. That's a noticeable difference in volume. The V30 will by far be the dominate tone.....Now....if you wanted to take both speakers out of the Z-best and put in two M creambacks...that will be awesome! | | "Every note sounds like you're rattling a bunch of tin cans and old chicken bones around inside a plastic paint bucket."...Flealux I'm not playing the gig for the money....but don't try to screw me on the money. | |
| jammergreg Z-Natic Life is 90% Attitude 10% Knowledge and Skills Posts: 2,599 | Creamback vs G12H Aug 27, 2013 23:35:17 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by jammergreg on Aug 27, 2013 23:35:17 GMT -7 Aug 21, 2013 7:22:33 GMT -7 John said:Aug 21, 2013 5:36:23 GMT -7 Abandoned said:So would a creamback in place of a G12H30 in a Z-Best cab be a good idea?Yes and no...In most Z-best cabs, it's a G12H and a V30...both are 100db speakers. They're a nice match because the H has the bass....the V30 has the mids. They compliment each other.However, if you take out the H and put in a M Creamback. (we have to make the distinction now...because there's now an H creamback) The V30 will to a large extent, drown out the creamback. V30 at 100db will be much louder than a creamback at 97db. That's a noticeable difference in volume. The V30 will by far be the dominate tone.....Now....if you wanted to take both speakers out of the Z-best and put in two M creambacks...that will be awesome!Amen. | | DR Z Z-Lux in the house & 7 other Zs gone but not forgotten. Friedman Runt 20 Head w/2 1X12 Creamback cabs Don Grosh RC 22 years old ,w/ Lindy Fralin pups. PRS McCarty Singlecut 594 semi hollow Wood library | |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 6:29:46 GMT -7 The Creamback, to my ear, has a bit more upper mid emphasis and crisper highs, while the G12H30 has rounder highs and is more scooped in the upper mids. Both are great speakers--I think if you've got a cab you love, don't mess with it. | |
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