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I am hoping to get feedback from anyone on here who has owned/lived with (as opposed to just driven) both the W204 C63 and the W212 E63.Call it old age and/or a growing realisation that quite a lot of my driving these days is spent (with wife and kids as passengers) just getting from A to B on congested and often poor quality roads I wonder if I might need to call time on my nearly 7 years in both Sedan and Estate W204 C63s. With the lease almost up on my 2013 C63 Estate PP I recently found myself looking at a new W205 C63S Estate as a replacement. Clearly an incredible bit of kit but I found it edgier and more highly-strung than the W204 C63, even in spite of its suspension and driving mode trickery. I have since had nagging doubts as to whether I could live with it on a daily basis.This indecision has now got me scratching an old itch in the form of a W212 E63, and this itch is not helped by low mileage late model E63s being roughly the same price as a new W205 C63S. I was lucky enough to drive an E63S on the track a while back and was left in no doubt whatsoever as to its capabilities when being hussled along. However I am yet to properly appreciate the full E63 driving experience in real world conditions. In particular I have read/heard about the MCT transmission in the E63 copping a lot of flack due to its low speed jerkiness but figure this is the same (if not identical?) MCT transmission I am already more than used to/happy with in my current C63.I am thus reaching out to anyone who has “transitioned” from ownership of the W204 C63 to the 5.5TT equipped E63 and keen to hear your thoughts on the experience, good or bad. I am also keen to hear from any E63 owners who might have found the E63 perhaps a little staid and lacking in “AMG character” in real world driving and found themselves longing for the rawness of the current C63. I went from a CLK63 to a 2013 (facelift) E63, so not too different a route to the one you are considering. I ran both for around 20k miles, owning the E63 from new.I've commented on previous threads on the E63 and my summary was more or less this:- The 5.5TT is extremely powerful but offers up none of the response, excitement or refinement of the M156. It's barely any more economical other than in urban conditions perhaps. - The MCT box got very easily confused and often hesitated at junctions or when doing parking manoeuvres. I often put my foot down, sometimes to the floor, and nothing would happen for a moment. The only other car I have experienced this dreadful characteristic with was a Porsche Macan Diesel. Not sure if this is to do with turbos.- The gearbox seemed to slip out of gear a few times and at very dangerous moments e.g. pulling onto roundabouts at motorway junctions. There would be no power for a few nerve racking seconds and then the car would mysteriously return to normal. This has happened to other owners on here but MB could never find the fault.- There's too much torque and the top end offers no drama.- Traction was hopeless on new tyres in anything other than a straight line in dry conditions but my car didn't have the diff; I wish I had gone for the E63S. My car was always on P Zeros, which I don't find to be the best tyres for UK roads.- The layout was nice but the overall quality of the interior was poor with lots of squeaks and rattles, the seats were probably the worst part of this. The Command system was very good, however.- Overall refinement was ok but not as good as previous AMGs I have been in. The engine makes what I can only describe as a booming, droning noise and does not sound like a thoroughbred in any sense (unlike the M156, which I loved). It's a casualty of turbocharging and in trying to make it sound like a muscle car, it just sounds agricultural.- When I replaced mine, I couldn't find a 6.2 E63 in good enough condition and the C63 was a bit small for my needs (otherwise I would have had that in a shot) so I changed brands and got one of the last great natural aspirated V8s. Not sure the above helps but that's my experience. Wow thanks for the feedback - sounds like a nightmare of a gearbox. And the rattles and creaks while arguably acceptable (to a point) in an entry level low spec C class AMG are just not on in an E-class, AMG or otherwise. I was under the impression it was the same MCT transmission in the E63 and the facelift W204 C63, albeit with a different calibration to suit the higher power and torque of the 5.5TT. The MCT transmission used in my current facelift C63 certainly has its own unique characteristics, and has to be driven with careful use of the throttle in stop start low speed settings. But what you are describing sounds pathological in comparison - certainly well into the territory of where a less than perfect product becomes an actual design fault. Or perhaps it is simply a case with the E63 of an engine/transmission partnership set up to work best in full throttle applications in S+ mode, but a most unsuitable combination when asked to work smoothly together in every day driving?? So the wolf in sheep's clothing b
ks is just that, and I am dreaming if I am expecting to find a car that can behave like a hooligan race car on a track day and then a luxury grand tourer on the drive home afterwards. Maybe that new C63 needs another test drive!! No problem, happy to help.I bought mine before any were around to test and at the time, I hoped it would be as refined as the noughties E55K and E63 (6.2) I had previously tried (and loved). Maybe I'm behind the times but I prefer my fast saloons to be more cosseting than the W212 E63 and not quite as dynamically focused. After all, how sharp a drive does anyone need a two tonne saloon to be and what comforts and refinements need to be sacrificed to try and make it scalpel sharp and ballistically fast?!The other gripe I had was that there was so much power, I spent a fair amount of time having to back off, when in my Porsche I can wring it out a bit more, which I find much more enjoyable. Once on the move, the gearbox and engine in the E63 performed perfectly well but as you say, they were at their optimum when the car was being driven very hard, which is not something anyone can do very often in a near 600bhp car. As a car to live with, I think it would be fine if most of your driving is on the open road but around town it was a pain. Some imperfections can be characterful but unfortunately the issues I had with my car turned me off it. I went from a c63 estate to a new 5.5 bt but hated it. It was very wallowy compared to the older c class.It was when they were first out so the e63s wasn't around.It's a big car, great for lugging lots of things about but not the sharpest of tools to hustle along.I went back to a c63 saloon and loved it but now I've been in a cls 5.5 for over 3 years.The 5.5 is a very torquey engine as standard but with a simple remap you are looking at 700 lb ft or over and over 700 Bhp if that's what you want to do.The noise in my e63 was very muted which I think has been addressed by the e63s with a different exhaust system(I may be wrong) but it definitely sounds different.The cls is a good middle ground between the two, it's still a very long car ( think ffrr) but has a tighter chassis.I have the estate or shooting brake which although has a much smaller boot than the e class still manages to get a family's worth of luggage in for an airport run.My gear box has been fine, although I've never used rs mode as I could never remember how to set it up when I had a chance to play in it.It can be very jerky in first when cold tho.I would definitely recommend an extended test drive as I personally felt after buying it that the e class estate was a bit big for me.I'm just over 3 years into the car, it's had its first mot and 3 services.Tyres we all know about, but the fronts last about 15-18k and the rears for me about 12-14k and it was remapped at 5000m, it's now on 34k with no signs of trouble so far. The tracking and wheel alignment gets done every year, which is noticeable by a wobble and vibration over 90mph where the road allows it. my experience not as bad as above (long may it continue that way)!I had a '10 6.2 E63 wagon which I ran for two years and loved - however I handed it back at the end of the lease as I wasn't doing enough miles to justify it and went for low miles old '05 M5 as I fancied running that V10 engine for a year or so, which was fun. then two and a half years ago I bought a 12 month old '13 C63 wagon which I ran for two years and really enjoyed for all the usual reasons (that normally aspirated 6.2 engine, and it's fun chassis with the slippy diff fitted) - however in June I decided a needed more space so I swapped it for a low miles '14 5.5 bi-turbo E63 wagon. done 4,000 miles since then and I like the car a lot more than was expecting. positives - it's a nicer road car, rides better than the C63, many less rattles, the interior is several leaps forward in terms of quality and the pano roof is very nice, it's much quieter at cruise on a run, economy is also very good for a high performance car, nice long gearing, etc.negatives - it's not as agile as the C63 (no great surprise there, it's a long car), but it still handles much more sharply than an RS6, and does big skids which is nice. the engine is a bit rattley at idle (they all do that), and it's not a lovely as the old 6.2 normally aspirated mill, but again it's still got massive performance for a daily driver and the torque makes for very relaxed progress.I have had no problems with the gearbox at all, pretty similar to the MCT box in the C63.have a drive in one and see what you think, but I haven't got bored of mine...yet. Always better with an E class over a C. They;re just better cars underneath st4 said: Always better with an E class over a C. They;re just better cars underneathIn what way? As I understand, many parts are shared. The smaller chassis drives better. Interesting thread. I don't have much experience of E63s other than in January this year I had to decide between an E63 and C63 (previous was a Jaguar XFR, amazing car and value for money in my opinion).I actually decided to go for the C63 estate after much deliberation. For me, I still want something that was moderately 'chuckable' into corners, and even though that would mean a trade off in comfort, I was willing to compromise. I ran a W212 diesel for a few months too at the end of last year for work and cabins for the E63 are far superior than my current facelift C63 but sense of occasion/sound, and last of the M156 engine for me in the C63 was the clincher.I think if I ever wanted more space I would have no issues stepping into the E63 (would consider an XFR at the same time though), but I would be losing the slightly more youthful drive.All the best! scherzkeks said: In what way? As I understand, many parts are shared. The smaller chassis drives better.Except it doesn't. It struggles to put the power down, is nasty and small inside and just not as good as car (Ive driven both AMG C and E classes and standard versions of the same car).The E on the back road near my house will take a few certain bends a fair bit faster than the C. They put the power down better. There is also a weird wobble in C class steering racks you don't feel in the E. Its as if the E has a more rigid body shell.The best of the lot is still the CLS. Ignore everything Mosdef says, he's got some sort of neurosis against the E63 and has that info in a notepad file so he can copy and paste it on every thread mentioning this car. I have an E63 facelift ], owned since new and it's 18 months old. It's been mapped and has Rado downpipes, so it sounds and goes very well indeed, 700hp and 800ft/lbs tends to get you down the road. I don't recognise anything he says about this car, gearbox is actually good and responds instantly when in manual mode and pootles along nicely in auto. With dampers on sport + you can actually throw the car in and out of bends with confidence, corner exits in this car are something to behold as the torque hurls you at the horizon. Go try one for yourself, try the different gearbox and damper settings. Haha!Just sharing my experiences over 20k miles of ownership (the OP asked for owners' experiences and that's what forums are often for). Maybe I was unlucky, or maybe I'm not an E63 evangelist who is unable to look at the car on a neutral basis. The gearbox is not renowned for being a good unit and the one on my car was very dull witted. I think jackwood had the same issues with lack of drive on a few occasions and went back to a C63 afterwards. His and mine were both early ones however, so maybe they got better. Build quality is still ste though and the noise compared to a M156 is agricultural. Pdelamare - you wouldn't happen to work for MB would you?Edited by Mosdef on Saturday 10th September 10:34Edited by Mosdef on Saturday 10th September 10:40 Pdelamare said: Ignore everything Mosdef says, he's got some sort of neurosis against the E63 and has that info in a notepad file so he can copy and paste it on every thread mentioning this car. I have an E63 facelift ], owned since new and it's 18 months old. It's been mapped and has Rado downpipes, so it sounds and goes very well indeed, 700hp and 800ft/lbs tends to get you down the road. I don't recognise anything he says about this car, gearbox is actually good and responds instantly when in manual mode and pootles along nicely in auto. With dampers on sport + you can actually throw the car in and out of bends with confidence, corner exits in this car are something to behold as the torque hurls you at the horizon. Go try one for yourself, try the different gearbox and damper settings. What diff does yours have? The standard car set up is dreadful for traction and I recall something about Chris Harris saying (after driving the E63S) that without the diff on the 'S' car, it would be undriveable. st4 said: Except it doesn't. It struggles to put the power down, is nasty and small inside and just not as good as car (Ive driven both AMG C and E classes and standard versions of the same car).The E on the back road near my house will take a few certain bends a fair bit faster than the C. They put the power down better. The best of the lot is still the CLS. Everything I have read about the AMGs comes to the conclusion that the E is a boat and the C is quite agile. I've driven the std. cars in E and C form (and one C63) and the C is much more tossable, IMO.You also didn't answer the question. What about the quality underneath the soft-touch and leather is different? I'm on my second E63. This is a '14 model tt, the first a 98. The NA engine in the '98 was more characterful and sounded better, but the tt engine is quicker and the car itself is better in virtually every regard than the '98 model. Sure it has its idiosyncracies atypical of a turbo engine, and sure the stereo as standard is rubbish, but overrall I think it's the best performance saloon you can buy - by quite a margin. My friend switched from a C63 and is very happy with his '15 plate tt, he says it is a step up. Have you not tried a BMW?The M5 can be had new from 53k at the moment and massive discounts on the M6 GC too..... I have never owned or driven a C63, but have had my E63 AMG 5.5 ltr for a couple of years and it is a stunning drivers car in every way . Easy to mooch in traffic and absolutely stonking when in manual or S+ on empty roads. You must make allowance for its 2 tonne weight so a sports car it ain't . Acceleration is brutal and never ending when you want it to be, nice V8 soundtrack too.I recently retired and sold my Tuscan S and E320 Sport to get down to only one car and am very happy with my choice of wheels. In the right conditions it could even outperform the Tuscan, well, maybe!You can unsettle the back end in some conditions due to its massive low down torque so you need to put the power down nice and steady, a bit like the Tuscan really.I have noticed that these cars are being heavily discounted - up to £20k off new - at my local (Derby & Sheffield) dealers, so now might be a good time to get one. scherzkeks said: Everything I have read about the AMGs comes to the conclusion that the E is a boat and the C is quite agile. I've driven the std. cars in E and C form (and one C63) and the C is much more tossable, IMO.You also didn't answer the question. What about the quality underneath the soft-touch and leather is different?I've driven both standard cars and AMG ones. The C class body shell just isn't as ridid. Thats quite a big thing, you can feel it as the steering rack wobbles/shimmys slightly in AMG and standard C classes over rough surfaces, whereas in the E it doesn't.The E can be flung into bends just as well and in my experience on the road can take a given bend at a higher speed than a C class. Its certainly a more stable car. They're just better cars. st4 said: scherzkeks said: Everything I have read about the AMGs comes to the conclusion that the E is a boat and the C is quite agile. I've driven the std. cars in E and C form (and one C63) and the C is much more tossable, IMO.You also didn't answer the question. What about the quality underneath the soft-touch and leather is different?I've driven both standard cars and AMG ones. The C class body shell just isn't as ridid. Thats quite a big thing, you can feel it as the steering rack wobbles/shimmys slightly in AMG and standard C classes over rough surfaces, whereas in the E it doesn't.The E can be flung into bends just as well and in my experience on the road can take a given bend at a higher speed than a C class. Its certainly a more stable car. They're just better cars. Sure. The E63 is nearly as far away from a boat as you can get. Given the cornering ability of the car the ride is surprisingly pleasant in comfort though. OP here. Thanks everyone for their replies. Really need to get my hands on a late model E63S and go for an extended drive with plenty of real world (ie stop start traffic and potholed roads) to see how it behaves. I should have pointed out I am in Oz, where although you see quite a few E63 around there seem to be relatively few up for sale (perhaps this fact alone suggests the typical owners are happy with them). In any case as the arrival of the new E63 gets closer (due here in early 2017 I believe) I will no doubt see a few more come up in the second hand market. Reply OP Posts Only Prev of 22 Next OP Posts Only Reply OP Posts Only
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[report] [news]Monday 5th September 2016 I am hoping to get feedback from anyone on here who has owned/lived with (as opposed to just driven) both the W204 C63 and the W212 E63.Call it old age and/or a growing realisation that quite a lot of my driving these days is spent (with wife and kids as passengers) just getting from A to B on congested and often poor quality roads I wonder if I might need to call time on my nearly 7 years in both Sedan and Estate W204 C63s. With the lease almost up on my 2013 C63 Estate PP I recently found myself looking at a new W205 C63S Estate as a replacement. Clearly an incredible bit of kit but I found it edgier and more highly-strung than the W204 C63, even in spite of its suspension and driving mode trickery. I have since had nagging doubts as to whether I could live with it on a daily basis.This indecision has now got me scratching an old itch in the form of a W212 E63, and this itch is not helped by low mileage late model E63s being roughly the same price as a new W205 C63S. I was lucky enough to drive an E63S on the track a while back and was left in no doubt whatsoever as to its capabilities when being hussled along. However I am yet to properly appreciate the full E63 driving experience in real world conditions. In particular I have read/heard about the MCT transmission in the E63 copping a lot of flack due to its low speed jerkiness but figure this is the same (if not identical?) MCT transmission I am already more than used to/happy with in my current C63.I am thus reaching out to anyone who has “transitioned” from ownership of the W204 C63 to the 5.5TT equipped E63 and keen to hear your thoughts on the experience, good or bad. I am also keen to hear from any E63 owners who might have found the E63 perhaps a little staid and lacking in “AMG character” in real world driving and found themselves longing for the rawness of the current C63. Mosdef
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[report] [news]Monday 5th September 2016 I went from a CLK63 to a 2013 (facelift) E63, so not too different a route to the one you are considering. I ran both for around 20k miles, owning the E63 from new.I've commented on previous threads on the E63 and my summary was more or less this:- The 5.5TT is extremely powerful but offers up none of the response, excitement or refinement of the M156. It's barely any more economical other than in urban conditions perhaps. - The MCT box got very easily confused and often hesitated at junctions or when doing parking manoeuvres. I often put my foot down, sometimes to the floor, and nothing would happen for a moment. The only other car I have experienced this dreadful characteristic with was a Porsche Macan Diesel. Not sure if this is to do with turbos.- The gearbox seemed to slip out of gear a few times and at very dangerous moments e.g. pulling onto roundabouts at motorway junctions. There would be no power for a few nerve racking seconds and then the car would mysteriously return to normal. This has happened to other owners on here but MB could never find the fault.- There's too much torque and the top end offers no drama.- Traction was hopeless on new tyres in anything other than a straight line in dry conditions but my car didn't have the diff; I wish I had gone for the E63S. My car was always on P Zeros, which I don't find to be the best tyres for UK roads.- The layout was nice but the overall quality of the interior was poor with lots of squeaks and rattles, the seats were probably the worst part of this. The Command system was very good, however.- Overall refinement was ok but not as good as previous AMGs I have been in. The engine makes what I can only describe as a booming, droning noise and does not sound like a thoroughbred in any sense (unlike the M156, which I loved). It's a casualty of turbocharging and in trying to make it sound like a muscle car, it just sounds agricultural.- When I replaced mine, I couldn't find a 6.2 E63 in good enough condition and the C63 was a bit small for my needs (otherwise I would have had that in a shot) so I changed brands and got one of the last great natural aspirated V8s. Not sure the above helps but that's my experience. JimmyR1
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[report] [news]Monday 5th September 2016 Wow thanks for the feedback - sounds like a nightmare of a gearbox. And the rattles and creaks while arguably acceptable (to a point) in an entry level low spec C class AMG are just not on in an E-class, AMG or otherwise. I was under the impression it was the same MCT transmission in the E63 and the facelift W204 C63, albeit with a different calibration to suit the higher power and torque of the 5.5TT. The MCT transmission used in my current facelift C63 certainly has its own unique characteristics, and has to be driven with careful use of the throttle in stop start low speed settings. But what you are describing sounds pathological in comparison - certainly well into the territory of where a less than perfect product becomes an actual design fault. Or perhaps it is simply a case with the E63 of an engine/transmission partnership set up to work best in full throttle applications in S+ mode, but a most unsuitable combination when asked to work smoothly together in every day driving?? So the wolf in sheep's clothing bks is just that, and I am dreaming if I am expecting to find a car that can behave like a hooligan race car on a track day and then a luxury grand tourer on the drive home afterwards. Maybe that new C63 needs another test drive!! Mosdef
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[report] [news]Monday 5th September 2016 No problem, happy to help.I bought mine before any were around to test and at the time, I hoped it would be as refined as the noughties E55K and E63 (6.2) I had previously tried (and loved). Maybe I'm behind the times but I prefer my fast saloons to be more cosseting than the W212 E63 and not quite as dynamically focused. After all, how sharp a drive does anyone need a two tonne saloon to be and what comforts and refinements need to be sacrificed to try and make it scalpel sharp and ballistically fast?!The other gripe I had was that there was so much power, I spent a fair amount of time having to back off, when in my Porsche I can wring it out a bit more, which I find much more enjoyable. Once on the move, the gearbox and engine in the E63 performed perfectly well but as you say, they were at their optimum when the car was being driven very hard, which is not something anyone can do very often in a near 600bhp car. As a car to live with, I think it would be fine if most of your driving is on the open road but around town it was a pain. Some imperfections can be characterful but unfortunately the issues I had with my car turned me off it. Charliesum
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[report] [news]Monday 5th September 2016 I went from a c63 estate to a new 5.5 bt but hated it. It was very wallowy compared to the older c class.It was when they were first out so the e63s wasn't around.It's a big car, great for lugging lots of things about but not the sharpest of tools to hustle along.I went back to a c63 saloon and loved it but now I've been in a cls 5.5 for over 3 years.The 5.5 is a very torquey engine as standard but with a simple remap you are looking at 700 lb ft or over and over 700 Bhp if that's what you want to do.The noise in my e63 was very muted which I think has been addressed by the e63s with a different exhaust system(I may be wrong) but it definitely sounds different.The cls is a good middle ground between the two, it's still a very long car ( think ffrr) but has a tighter chassis.I have the estate or shooting brake which although has a much smaller boot than the e class still manages to get a family's worth of luggage in for an airport run.My gear box has been fine, although I've never used rs mode as I could never remember how to set it up when I had a chance to play in it.It can be very jerky in first when cold tho.I would definitely recommend an extended test drive as I personally felt after buying it that the e class estate was a bit big for me.I'm just over 3 years into the car, it's had its first mot and 3 services.Tyres we all know about, but the fronts last about 15-18k and the rears for me about 12-14k and it was remapped at 5000m, it's now on 34k with no signs of trouble so far. The tracking and wheel alignment gets done every year, which is noticeable by a wobble and vibration over 90mph where the road allows it. seawise
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[report] [news]Monday 5th September 2016 my experience not as bad as above (long may it continue that way)!I had a '10 6.2 E63 wagon which I ran for two years and loved - however I handed it back at the end of the lease as I wasn't doing enough miles to justify it and went for low miles old '05 M5 as I fancied running that V10 engine for a year or so, which was fun. then two and a half years ago I bought a 12 month old '13 C63 wagon which I ran for two years and really enjoyed for all the usual reasons (that normally aspirated 6.2 engine, and it's fun chassis with the slippy diff fitted) - however in June I decided a needed more space so I swapped it for a low miles '14 5.5 bi-turbo E63 wagon. done 4,000 miles since then and I like the car a lot more than was expecting. positives - it's a nicer road car, rides better than the C63, many less rattles, the interior is several leaps forward in terms of quality and the pano roof is very nice, it's much quieter at cruise on a run, economy is also very good for a high performance car, nice long gearing, etc.negatives - it's not as agile as the C63 (no great surprise there, it's a long car), but it still handles much more sharply than an RS6, and does big skids which is nice. the engine is a bit rattley at idle (they all do that), and it's not a lovely as the old 6.2 normally aspirated mill, but again it's still got massive performance for a daily driver and the torque makes for very relaxed progress.I have had no problems with the gearbox at all, pretty similar to the MCT box in the C63.have a drive in one and see what you think, but I haven't got bored of mine...yet. st4
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[report] [news]Wednesday 7th September 2016 Always better with an E class over a C. They;re just better cars underneath scherzkeks
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[report] [news]Thursday 8th September 2016 st4 said: Always better with an E class over a C. They;re just better cars underneathIn what way? As I understand, many parts are shared. The smaller chassis drives better. VX0075
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[report] [news]Thursday 8th September 2016 Interesting thread. I don't have much experience of E63s other than in January this year I had to decide between an E63 and C63 (previous was a Jaguar XFR, amazing car and value for money in my opinion).I actually decided to go for the C63 estate after much deliberation. For me, I still want something that was moderately 'chuckable' into corners, and even though that would mean a trade off in comfort, I was willing to compromise. I ran a W212 diesel for a few months too at the end of last year for work and cabins for the E63 are far superior than my current facelift C63 but sense of occasion/sound, and last of the M156 engine for me in the C63 was the clincher.I think if I ever wanted more space I would have no issues stepping into the E63 (would consider an XFR at the same time though), but I would be losing the slightly more youthful drive.All the best! st4
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[report] [news]Friday 9th September 2016 scherzkeks said: In what way? As I understand, many parts are shared. The smaller chassis drives better.Except it doesn't. It struggles to put the power down, is nasty and small inside and just not as good as car (Ive driven both AMG C and E classes and standard versions of the same car).The E on the back road near my house will take a few certain bends a fair bit faster than the C. They put the power down better. There is also a weird wobble in C class steering racks you don't feel in the E. Its as if the E has a more rigid body shell.The best of the lot is still the CLS. Pdelamare
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[report] [news]Friday 9th September 2016 Ignore everything Mosdef says, he's got some sort of neurosis against the E63 and has that info in a notepad file so he can copy and paste it on every thread mentioning this car. I have an E63 facelift ], owned since new and it's 18 months old. It's been mapped and has Rado downpipes, so it sounds and goes very well indeed, 700hp and 800ft/lbs tends to get you down the road. I don't recognise anything he says about this car, gearbox is actually good and responds instantly when in manual mode and pootles along nicely in auto. With dampers on sport + you can actually throw the car in and out of bends with confidence, corner exits in this car are something to behold as the torque hurls you at the horizon. Go try one for yourself, try the different gearbox and damper settings. Mosdef
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[report] [news]Saturday 10th September 2016 Haha!Just sharing my experiences over 20k miles of ownership (the OP asked for owners' experiences and that's what forums are often for). Maybe I was unlucky, or maybe I'm not an E63 evangelist who is unable to look at the car on a neutral basis. The gearbox is not renowned for being a good unit and the one on my car was very dull witted. I think jackwood had the same issues with lack of drive on a few occasions and went back to a C63 afterwards. His and mine were both early ones however, so maybe they got better. Build quality is still ste though and the noise compared to a M156 is agricultural. Pdelamare - you wouldn't happen to work for MB would you?Edited by Mosdef on Saturday 10th September 10:34Edited by Mosdef on Saturday 10th September 10:40 Mosdef
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[report] [news]Saturday 10th September 2016 Pdelamare said: Ignore everything Mosdef says, he's got some sort of neurosis against the E63 and has that info in a notepad file so he can copy and paste it on every thread mentioning this car. I have an E63 facelift ], owned since new and it's 18 months old. It's been mapped and has Rado downpipes, so it sounds and goes very well indeed, 700hp and 800ft/lbs tends to get you down the road. I don't recognise anything he says about this car, gearbox is actually good and responds instantly when in manual mode and pootles along nicely in auto. With dampers on sport + you can actually throw the car in and out of bends with confidence, corner exits in this car are something to behold as the torque hurls you at the horizon. Go try one for yourself, try the different gearbox and damper settings. What diff does yours have? The standard car set up is dreadful for traction and I recall something about Chris Harris saying (after driving the E63S) that without the diff on the 'S' car, it would be undriveable. scherzkeks
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154 months
[report] [news]Tuesday 13th September 2016 st4 said: Except it doesn't. It struggles to put the power down, is nasty and small inside and just not as good as car (Ive driven both AMG C and E classes and standard versions of the same car).The E on the back road near my house will take a few certain bends a fair bit faster than the C. They put the power down better. The best of the lot is still the CLS. Everything I have read about the AMGs comes to the conclusion that the E is a boat and the C is quite agile. I've driven the std. cars in E and C form (and one C63) and the C is much more tossable, IMO.You also didn't answer the question. What about the quality underneath the soft-touch and leather is different? popeyewhite
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140 months
[report] [news]Tuesday 13th September 2016 I'm on my second E63. This is a '14 model tt, the first a 98. The NA engine in the '98 was more characterful and sounded better, but the tt engine is quicker and the car itself is better in virtually every regard than the '98 model. Sure it has its idiosyncracies atypical of a turbo engine, and sure the stereo as standard is rubbish, but overrall I think it's the best performance saloon you can buy - by quite a margin. My friend switched from a C63 and is very happy with his '15 plate tt, he says it is a step up. likesachange
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214 months
[report] [news]Tuesday 13th September 2016 Have you not tried a BMW?The M5 can be had new from 53k at the moment and massive discounts on the M6 GC too..... xTVR
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239 months
[report] [news]Tuesday 13th September 2016 I have never owned or driven a C63, but have had my E63 AMG 5.5 ltr for a couple of years and it is a stunning drivers car in every way . Easy to mooch in traffic and absolutely stonking when in manual or S+ on empty roads. You must make allowance for its 2 tonne weight so a sports car it ain't . Acceleration is brutal and never ending when you want it to be, nice V8 soundtrack too.I recently retired and sold my Tuscan S and E320 Sport to get down to only one car and am very happy with my choice of wheels. In the right conditions it could even outperform the Tuscan, well, maybe!You can unsettle the back end in some conditions due to its massive low down torque so you need to put the power down nice and steady, a bit like the Tuscan really.I have noticed that these cars are being heavily discounted - up to £20k off new - at my local (Derby & Sheffield) dealers, so now might be a good time to get one. st4
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153 months
[report] [news]Wednesday 14th September 2016 scherzkeks said: Everything I have read about the AMGs comes to the conclusion that the E is a boat and the C is quite agile. I've driven the std. cars in E and C form (and one C63) and the C is much more tossable, IMO.You also didn't answer the question. What about the quality underneath the soft-touch and leather is different?I've driven both standard cars and AMG ones. The C class body shell just isn't as ridid. Thats quite a big thing, you can feel it as the steering rack wobbles/shimmys slightly in AMG and standard C classes over rough surfaces, whereas in the E it doesn't.The E can be flung into bends just as well and in my experience on the road can take a given bend at a higher speed than a C class. Its certainly a more stable car. They're just better cars. popeyewhite
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[report] [news]Wednesday 14th September 2016 st4 said: scherzkeks said: Everything I have read about the AMGs comes to the conclusion that the E is a boat and the C is quite agile. I've driven the std. cars in E and C form (and one C63) and the C is much more tossable, IMO.You also didn't answer the question. What about the quality underneath the soft-touch and leather is different?I've driven both standard cars and AMG ones. The C class body shell just isn't as ridid. Thats quite a big thing, you can feel it as the steering rack wobbles/shimmys slightly in AMG and standard C classes over rough surfaces, whereas in the E it doesn't.The E can be flung into bends just as well and in my experience on the road can take a given bend at a higher speed than a C class. Its certainly a more stable car. They're just better cars. Sure. The E63 is nearly as far away from a boat as you can get. Given the cornering ability of the car the ride is surprisingly pleasant in comfort though. JimmyR1
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[report] [news]Thursday 15th September 2016 OP here. Thanks everyone for their replies. Really need to get my hands on a late model E63S and go for an extended drive with plenty of real world (ie stop start traffic and potholed roads) to see how it behaves. I should have pointed out I am in Oz, where although you see quite a few E63 around there seem to be relatively few up for sale (perhaps this fact alone suggests the typical owners are happy with them). In any case as the arrival of the new E63 gets closer (due here in early 2017 I believe) I will no doubt see a few more come up in the second hand market. Reply OP Posts Only Prev of 22 Next OP Posts Only Reply OP Posts Only Gassing Station | Mercedes | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff
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