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• Thread starter ralf-11
• Start date May 14, 2018

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ralf-11

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Joined Jan 16, 2017 Messages 1,771 has anyone compared IQ on these 2 bodies? or ergonomics & handling?

Drdave944

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ralf-11 said: has anyone compared IQ on these 2 bodies? or ergonomics & handling? Click to expand...

I had the GX-8 but wanted the manual controls.Then the Gx 9 was said to be a downgrade. I got the G-9 and finding it very nice.I haven't really gotten into the whiz bang features like taking a 30 pictures per second or whatever. The Gx 9 is more like the GX-7 with better IQ. G-9 features large grip ,bigger than G-8 I have used it for telephotos,such as 300mm F-4,I used it extensively as medium telephoto with Oly 60mm f2.8. Used it as platform for Metabones .64 with Canon 70-300. With latter lens poor and slow auto focus. Used mostly on manual with focus/focus peaking with very sharp bird pictures,with Tamron f2,8,24-70. No auto focus,but good manual focus. Works prefect with Oly 60 mm f2.8. Has many manual controls, joy stick,many, focus modes,adjust everything from EVF. It is a joy to use and learn to operate ,but is not easy for the novice.I could take months to get deep into it.I am not an IQ expert,but it is said to be superb,possibly the best M 43 yet

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Joined Mar 9, 2013 Messages 1,222 Location Sacramento, California Real Name Dan I have used the G9 for a couple days and compared its IQ to the GX85. The new 20mp sensor and processor in the G9 is a nice jump up in IQ, it's what many expected the G8 to be (but never was). I haven't used a GX9 and cannot confirm IQ but I would be surprised if it wasn't identicle to the G9. I have shot side by side the G9 and G85 with the PL12-60 and 200mm f2.8 as well as a 14-140mm, 100-300mm II and an Oly 60 macro. Some shoots will say you can use a average camera with a great lens and get similar results as a great camera with average lens and in this case it is mostly true. The G9 with 14-140 is similar to the G85 with PL12-60 (or even Oly 60), but the G85 with PL200mm slightly betters the G9 with 100-300. But in the end the G9 still has greater resolution. IMHO I think the GX9 with grip will be a great upgrade for most, but tricky for the bigger tele lenses

Ziggy

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Joined Sep 21, 2016 Messages 837 Location Melbourne, Australia IQ is a product of the body, the lens, the raw converter and the display.

ralf-11

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Joined Jan 16, 2017 Messages 1,771 obviously - here is my revised post: I am trying to figure out if the IQ and ergonomics of the bodies is worth the wt. penalty to move from GX8

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Joined Mar 9, 2013 Messages 1,222 Location Sacramento, California Real Name Dan

Ziggy said: IQ is a product of the body, the lens, the raw converter and the display. Click to expand...

True, I just was reminded about display quality as my iMac display died and I used an older ASUS for the past week – EEK!

Ziggy

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Joined Sep 21, 2016 Messages 837 Location Melbourne, Australia Exactly. I use a decent tablet for casual browsing alongside a calibrated quality monitor and the difference is significant.

retiredfromlife

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Ziggy said: Exactly. I use a decent tablet for casual browsing alongside a calibrated quality monitor and the difference is significant. Click to expand...

What monitor do you use. I am considering upgrading my monitor to one I can calibrate. Also does the video card make much of a difference. I remember there to be a big colour difference between NVidia and ATI cards on the same monitor.

Ziggy

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Joined Sep 21, 2016 Messages 837 Location Melbourne, Australia Apparently LR runs best with nVidia. I've just built up a desktop with one plus lots of RAM as the laptop was struggling with the increasingly large files. The monitor is a 24" ASUS IPS ProArt unit.

ralf-11

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Joined Jan 16, 2017 Messages 1,771 the OP is about the bodies - kindly start another thread if you want to talk about something else

Ziggy

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ralf-11 said: has anyone compared IQ on these 2 bodies? or ergonomics & handling? Click to expand...

How do you define IQ? D

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ralf-11 said: obviously - here is my revised post: I am trying to figure out if the IQ and ergonomics of the bodies is worth the wt. penalty to move from GX8 Click to expand...

G9 is a SLR style camera, GX9 a rangefinder style camera. Ergonomics are incomparable, it's what lies best in your hands i.e. try one of each at a store. IQ will be the same as they all share the same 20MP sensor.

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Joined Mar 9, 2013 Messages 1,222 Location Sacramento, California Real Name Dan Image Quality is a result of Image degridation caused by an increase in noise, (and noise characteristics), lack of sharpness and loss of fine details. Color can be personal preference and not always IQ factor. I have used the GX7 and GX8 and G9 along with G85 and can say the G9 clearly produces better IQ based on my explanation above. As far as size and handling you would definitely want to handle a G9 for you personal feelings on it. If Panasonic produces a GX8 style camera with the new processor, sensor and shutter mechanism I would consider it. I prefer the 20mp G9 IQ but like the ergonomics and style of the GX8 Last edited: May 28, 2021

agentlossing

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Henk said: G9 is a SLR style camera, GX9 a rangefinder style camera. Ergonomics are incomparable, it's what lies best in your hands i.e. try one of each at a store. IQ will be the same as they all share the same 20MP sensor. Click to expand...

IQ is not necessarily the same because they share a sensor of the same size. There are some obvious improvements to the G9 flagship that we're hoping, but still unsure, will make it into the GX9.

ralf-11

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Joined Jan 16, 2017 Messages 1,771 No, not necessarily the same but that fact is suggestive. OTOH, DR (which is critical to me) was measured by one source as ~13 stops on the G9. That is unusually high for an m43 sensor. DXO gives the DR of a Nikon D850 as 14 stops, tho I don't know if both sources use comparable testing. Subscribe to see EXIF info for this image (if available)

Ziggy

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Joined Sep 21, 2016 Messages 837 Location Melbourne, Australia The D850 is a very different beast to the D500. FF c 45 mp v APS-C 21 mp. So the G9 outperforms the latter re DR & SNR. It has similar pixel numbers but they're smaller and conventional wisdom has it that makes for more noise. So something else is influencing noise and exposure range too. In fact a whole lot of things - how you get from a file of zeros and ones to an image on a screen.

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Ziggy said: The D850 is a very different beast to the D500. FF c 45 mp v APS-C 21 mp. So the G9 outperforms the latter re DR & SNR. It has similar pixel numbers but they're smaller and conventional wisdom has it that makes for more noise. So something else is influencing noise and exposure range too. In fact a whole lot of things - how you get from a file of zeros and ones to an image on a screen. Click to expand...

I think this is way outside the realm of this post. Nor can it be used as a stand alone reference to final IQ since lens quality plays a huge factor in (every) test results.

Ziggy

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Joined Sep 21, 2016 Messages 837 Location Melbourne, Australia Round and round the garden.. . See post #4 IQ is what you judge about what you see. What produces it is way more than just the sensor, plus there's varying meanings of the term. Some people include in it composition and subject matter, exposure range, tonal gradations as well as the conventional aspects like grain and sharpness. So what exactly is ralf talking about - that can reliably be judged by eye rather than machine? Last edited: May 17, 2018

Ziggy

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Joined Sep 21, 2016 Messages 837 Location Melbourne, Australia Then ralf says the display is irrelevant. Well it's not. We're not actually seeing the original RAW image -- that's a hi res 12 or 14 bit file. It gets downsampled to an 8 bit JPEG. People who know more about this than I do say that can actually increase the impression of sharpness. And there's your monitor. Calibrated? No? Using it in daylight and then by tungsten light? Then you're not seeing the same image at the end of the pipeline.

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ralf-11 said: obviously - here is my revised post: I am trying to figure out if the IQ and ergonomics of the bodies is worth the wt. penalty to move from GX8 Click to expand...

GX8! Awesome image quality. 20mp sensor. Great body design, ergonomics, features, nice size. I was sorry to learn what the GX9 is. And the G9 is way more camera than I would want. Makes me cling to my GX8, and GX7, even more. Last edited: May 22, 2018

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