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vashondan

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Joined May 24, 2014 Messages 2,194 Reaction score 1,736 Location Vashon WA Thinking about replacing the tubes in my PRRI and looked at the Tube Depot. Their regular set is 89.00 for JJ's and what they say is a higher quality set are Tung Sols at 145.00. Worth it? Thanks! Eidolon

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Joined Dec 13, 2019 Messages 175 Reaction score 55 Reliability-wise it's a matter of luck. Tone-wise, JJs will have more mids and Tung Sols less so, and a bit more aggressive. I like them both for different purposes. Except in the PI slot, where i'm partial for the Sovtek LPS.

Spooky Action

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Joined Sep 14, 2012 Messages 5,204 Reaction score 9,787 Location NewSouth, the old one sucks Post #2 says it all. I do my tube business with Doug at Doug's Tubes and he recommends the Ruby 12AX7AC5 HG+ or Mullard CV4004 for P1. The Ruby is probably a selected JJ. He is a member and you might mssg him or go to his website. He seems like a great guy and active member here. ken374

ken374

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Joined May 4, 2011 Messages 7,635 Reaction score 1,579 Location South East Michigan I had EH in my DRRI and they are about as good as some old stock Sylvania and RCA so just stuck with the RCA for more reliability B

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Joined Dec 24, 2010 Messages 5,332 Reaction score 6,528 They both sound good. I think JJ tubes last longer than Tung Sol ri, at least the 6V6s. Like twice as long. I once bought a matched quad of Tung Sols and while they sounded good, they only lasted about 6mo per pair. I use tube dampers, the orange o rings with JJ tubes. The JJ 6V6s kind of a cross between 6V6 and 6L6 tonally, which is fine for Fender amps. As to JJ preamp tubes, the only 2 I recommend are the ECC803S and the new E83CC. I think their other offerings are lackluster at best. ken374

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Joined May 4, 2011 Messages 7,635 Reaction score 1,579 Location South East Michigan JJ rectifier was sorta dull probably used pretty well I dont know, my buddy gave me some . I like the EH and the RCA and Mullard old stock im surprised the EH hung well with those tubes JB6464

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Joined Feb 7, 2010 Messages 7,963 Reaction score 8,280 Location Cowtown I like the EH preamp tubes , they sound very close to my yellow labeled Sylvania 12AX7's . Just make sure you get them from a dealer that screens the bad ones out . easyed

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Joined May 14, 2017 Messages 2,558 Reaction score 2,456 Location Seattle I have an Allen Sweet Spot that is in essence a beefed-up PR. I use JJ 6V6s power tubes, Tung Sol 12AX7's for the preamp tubes except for V2, the reverb driver a JAN Philips 12AT7. Rectifier is Sovtek GZ34/5AR4. Tone is very good to my ear and reliability has been excellent.

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Joined Jan 6, 2019 Messages 1,305 Reaction score 1,583 Location Boston, MA I would not trust any Russian 6V6s in a BF Princeton (or Deluxe, for that matter) based design. Those tubes do not like super high screen voltage. The only 6V6s I'd trust are the JJs, and the TAD 6V6GT-STRs. As far as preamp tubes, the Tung-Sols are brighter and more aggressive sounding. My personal choice is the JJ ECC83MG or ECC803S, both of which sound quite nice. t-luxe

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Silver Supporting Member Joined Sep 10, 2009 Messages 2,541 Reaction score 1,785 Of the 2 choices, I'd go Tung Sol for V1(1st preamp tube); JJ for power tubes if you want max clean headroom, Tung sols if you want a more vintage, creamy 6v6 tone. JJ also for the Verb, PI, and Trem tube, since they're cheaper and reliable; and an NOS rectifier.

vashondan

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Joined May 24, 2014 Messages 2,194 Reaction score 1,736 Location Vashon WA Thanks to all. I'll sort this out and make a decision(s). So many options!

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Joined Mar 27, 2017 Messages 17,791 Reaction score 32,057

vashondan said: Thinking about replacing the tubes in my PRRI and looked at the Tube Depot. Their regular set is 89.00 ... Click to expand...

Why do you feel the need to replace every tube in your amp? Pro Tip: Those "Black Diamond Telefunken" output & rectifier tubes that Tube Depot is selling as their best quality tube set... are tested JJ 6V6S and GZ34 tubes, same as their cheapest set. You could be paying a lot more for marketing, and a vendor culling out the duds from run-of-the-mill stuff. Last edited: Sep 7, 2020 S

sideman

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Joined Dec 14, 2005 Messages 2,424 Reaction score 1,061 JJ 6v6s have been in my gigging 18-22 w amps for about a decade. They are reliable, clear and a bit bold- don’t get lost in the mix. Others I’ve tried including TS seem a little mushy or soft. I tried those cause the vintage TS 5881s are good in tweed Bassmans (although they reduce power a bit too). If you’re playing alone at home the softer tone may not matter (or may be desirable). But if you’re in a busy mix the JJ 6v6 is a good choice. Vcaster

Vcaster

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Joined Jan 1, 2017 Messages 1,493 Reaction score 1,598 Location USA Recommended: Eurotubes - Vacuum Tubes by JJ Electronic - ECC83, 12AX7, 6L6. 6L6GC, EL84, EL34, KT77, KT66, KT88 - Eurotubes

vashondan

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Joined May 24, 2014 Messages 2,194 Reaction score 1,736 Location Vashon WA

HotBluePlates said: Why do you feel the need to replace every tube in your amp? Pro Tip: Those "Black Diamond Telefunken" output & rectifier tubes that Tube Depot is selling as their best quality tube set... are tested JJ 6V6S and GZ34 tubes, same as their cheapest set. You could be paying a lot more for marketing, and a vendor culling out the duds from run-of-the-mill stuff. Click to expand...

Mostly just because it's been a few years and I'm noticing slight changes in the quality of the tone I'm getting. Thought I'd give tubes a try to see if they make a difference. Thanks for the heads up on the marketing of those tubes. Never would have noticed.

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Joined Mar 27, 2017 Messages 17,791 Reaction score 32,057

vashondan said: Mostly just because it's been a few years and I'm noticing slight changes in the quality of the tone I'm getting. ... Click to expand...

I'd recommend you have a set as "backup tubes." Then you can try just the output tubes, or just swap a preamp tube or 2, and see which (if any) are really changing the sonics. I don't know about you, but I have trouble recalling the fine detail of sound after just a few minutes, much less a few years. Good thing is if you're right about the sound-change, you got the new tubes. And if you're wrong about the sound-change, you got new tubes for the next time one or a couple act up.

vashondan

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Joined May 24, 2014 Messages 2,194 Reaction score 1,736 Location Vashon WA

HotBluePlates said: I'd recommend you have a set as "backup tubes." Then you can try just the output tubes, or just swap a preamp tube or 2, and see which (if any) are really changing the sonics. I don't know about you, but I have trouble recalling the fine detail of sound after just a few minutes, much less a few years. Good thing is if you're right about the sound-change, you got the new tubes. And if you're wrong about the sound-change, you got new tubes for the next time one or a couple act up. Click to expand...

Excellent way to look at it. Thanks! Elric

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Joined Sep 15, 2004 Messages 6,604 Reaction score 9,611 I've always found JJ ECC83 preamp tubes to be "dark" sounding so unless the amp is overly bright, which is rare for me, they are my least favorite preamp tubes probably. Have not really had any issues with them as power tubes, though.

Humble Texan Fan

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Joined Oct 20, 2015 Messages 10,525 Reaction score 7,484 Location Scandinavian as in 'dynamite' JJ ECC803s are just about golden, as long as they see some substantial level of signal. Personally don't care much for TS - once you hear those papery frequencies of these they cannot be unheard. Then I'm sure they have their uses. Gold Lion, Prefered Series and some TADs I would consider an upgrade, for sure.

Les Paul Lover

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bigben55 said: They both sound good. I think JJ tubes last longer than Tung Sol ri, at least the 6V6s. Like twice as long. I once bought a matched quad of Tung Sols and while they sounded good, they only lasted about 6mo per pair. I use tube dampers, the orange o rings with JJ tubes. The JJ 6V6s kind of a cross between 6V6 and 6L6 tonally, which is fine for Fender amps. As to JJ preamp tubes, the only 2 I recommend are the ECC803S and the new E83CC. I think their other offerings are lackluster at best. Click to expand...

JJ power valves are really pretty good, and their 6V6s is, imo, excellent. My experience between Tung Sol and JJ EL34 was that the Tung Sol were nice, but just as nice as the JJs. The JJ ECC83s is really pretty poor. Reliable, low microphony, but dull, with underwhelming top end, low end, and poor definition.

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