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Audio Gear Talk Hegel Bryan_T September 22, 2020, 12:41am 226 You folks are scaring me off from Hegel. An H190 or H390 is on my wish list at the moment, but not if the DAC is weak. That’s an awful lot of money for it not to be amazing.1 Like Fernando_Pereira (Fernando Pereira) September 22, 2020, 1:14am 227 I owned an H360 for quite a while. A great amp that would have been held back by its DAC if I did not use external DACs. I used it with several different external DACs (Schiit Yggdrasil, Holo Spring KTE 3, Metrum Onyx, Soekris dac1541) all of which improved upon the built-in DAC, which is too smooth, lacking in dynamics, rounding the leading edges of percussion and plucked strings. Maybe the H190 and H390 overcome those deficiencies, but I’d listen carefully before buying if I cared about the internal DAC. terzinator (Chris) September 22, 2020, 2:13am 228 I’m hardly the one to be posting in this thread, as I have ZERO experience with Hegel, beyond listening to an H390 at an audio shop. (It sounded great, but so did the Parasound, and the Parasound was half the price.)I’m sure the current Hegel DACs are very good. But I think they are better known for their amplifiers. I think the main thing has been the promise of Roon readiness, and an inability to deliver on it, and an inability to keep its customers (or followers, I suppose) updated on progress.But if there was a non-DAC Hegel integrated, I wouldn’t have cared about the DAC/Roon aspect of it, and they’d probably have me as a customer.I don’t know, easy to speculate. When I was making the Hegel vs Parasound decision, I wanted a one-box solution, so I wanted an integrated DAC. But I have a streamer going into the Parasound anyway, so it’s not one box, is it?Still mulling over an H190, so we’re all nuts. Rockhound September 22, 2020, 2:25am 229 Can’t comment on the H390 DAC, which is different to (better than) the H190. The Lumin T2 I bought was almost CAD$2,000 more than the H190 so you’d certainly hope it would have a better DAC. At some point I’ll upgrade to a H390 but I’ll still be using the T2 to feed it analog because it sounds so sweet. There is, however, no question as to the quality of the amplification in the Hegel, which is seriously good.1 Like Mark_Hyland (Mark Hyland) September 22, 2020, 7:06am 230 Dont be scared. I was running a Matrix Audio Element M as streamer/DAC into a Hegel which is no slouch. The DAC in the 390 is superb, so I have since sold the MA and await Roon certification but I do feed an Innuos ZEN MK3 into the USB on the Hegel (previously it was Nucleus over ethernet to the MA).Great amp with a great DAC. But of course like everything it can be bettered.2 Likes SeanB (Sean B) September 22, 2020, 9:26am 231 I recently purchased the Hegel H390 after extensive comparison with other amps. Previously I had an exposure 3010sd2 and used that with the highly regarded and rated Mytek Brooklyn dac. A mate of mine had the same system but used the chord cutest dac. While home demoing the Hegel with each of those DACs we both agreed the Hegel dac sounded better. The dac in the Hegel is no add on… review you tube videos and you’ll soon discover the dac is extremely good in the Hegel… I’m not saying there aren’t better DACs out there… the dcs Bartok for instance but that’s twice the price of the h390 and I doubt you’d be looking at the Hegel if that’s your budget. Best suggestion is as always, listen to it. Make your own mind up rather than being swayed by other opinions.4 Likes DancingSea September 22, 2020, 7:52pm 232

But if there was a non-DAC Hegel integrated, I wouldn’t have cared about the DAC/Roon aspect of it, and they’d probably have me as a customer.

I wouldn’t let this deter your from a home audition of a Hegel. Listen Up! in Denver has a 30 day home trial. I view the Hegel internal DAC as an add on that’s useful for certain situations. I use it to airplay non-critical listening fare. And then use my Border Patrol external DAC (etc) for music.If the Hegel integrated is a great amp with an internal DAC/ Streamer, it’s still a great integrated if you ignore that feature. In that light, Hegel sort of already is the integrated only amp you’re looking for. I’ve found the non-critical Airplay ability to be very useful for things like podcasts, to be able to just listen via streaming from an iPad and not have to fire up the entire big rig to do so.I seem to recall you have the Magnepan LRS or .7, right? Hegel is reputed to work especially well with Magnepan.2 Likes terzinator (Chris) September 23, 2020, 3:05pm 233

I seem to recall you have the Magnepan LRS or .7, right? Hegel is reputed to work especially well with Magnepan.

Yeah, .7s. The H190 is on the short list for my small downstairs listening space, where I moved the Maggies.1 Like DancingSea September 23, 2020, 9:47pm 234 How do you like the .7’s? How do they compare to your other speakers? terzinator (Chris) September 23, 2020, 11:11pm 235 I like them, but i don’t know that I’ve found the right amp to make me love them yet.I had them upstairs in my living room, and for a living-space speaker, they were just ok. Paired with a Parasound HINT6 integrated. They sounded really good from that one spot in the center of the couch, but I felt they were too ungainly in the room to make that solo listening spot worth the bad feng shui. I put my Harbeth P3ESR’s back, and I’m much happier.So I made a listening space out of the tv video game space in our basement, and I like them a lot more. But the integrated I’m using is an old Myryad, and I have a feeling the Maggies are just waiting for me to find something extraordinary to power them.So, HEGEL H190 is one on the list, but on the higher end of the budget than I’d like to go. But if it’s nirvana, well, it might be worth it. $4000 ($3200 used, approx)Schiit Freya+ along with some undefined stereo power amp. Not sure which direction I’d go there, but I had a Freya+ before, and I’m kinda sad I sold it. $900 for Freya, and then add an amp.Rogue Sphinx V3 integrated. A few reviews state this thing also plays very well with the .7’s… might have been a Herb Reichert review in stereophile. $1500 all in.Open to other suggestions, obviously.But this is a Hegel thread, so maybe I’ll start a new one for my dilemma.

DancingSea September 24, 2020, 12:02am 236 If budget is an issue, perhaps this discounted Hegel Rost at $1799 might be worth a try. There’s also the H120 at $3000.I think that Rost is a deal. To my understanding it’s essentially the same amp as the H120. The H120 has an upgraded DAC section. They have a H90 open box for $1299, but it might be not quite enough for the .7’s…You are being redirected... Andrew_Dean1 (Andrew Dean) September 24, 2020, 6:29am 237 No update from Hegel? Saxon_Bartrop (Saxon Bartrop) September 24, 2020, 10:59am 238 I have ordered a set of Burchardt A700’s and hub.My H390 and Klipsch Cornwall IV will be up for sale if I enjoy the 45 day trial period.Will save half of my spend about as well… terzinator (Chris) September 24, 2020, 12:57pm 239

My H390 and Klipsch Cornwall IV

ooooh I bet this is a tasty combo Bryan_T September 24, 2020, 1:42pm 240 That seems like a lot of power for such efficient speakers. Do you use that much wattage with the Cornwalls?The A700s are beautiful-looking, especially in walnut. sojer2005 (sojer2005) September 24, 2020, 10:27pm 241 Regarding Room support … It would be nice to finally get some concrete answers. But I don’t think they have news worth sharing with us, I doubt we’ll get Roon this year, if anything. Something strange is happening. Saxon_Bartrop (Saxon Bartrop) September 25, 2020, 3:45pm 242 40-60% volume with grills off, speakers angled in in my 8x10M room is stupendous. 99% is earth shaking, but not distorted.I have ordered walnut A700s.2 Likes Bogdan_Simaciu (Bogdan Simaciu) September 26, 2020, 9:55am 243 If you sell the 390 I am interested.

Rafi_Galibov (Rafi Galibov) September 27, 2020, 9:19am 244 Regarding info from Hegel, there was an interview with Anders a couple of weeks ago on YouTube Anders on YouTube & I think he says that they are still working on it & they might be near… (well worth watching anyway if you haven’t, & there was one on Friday with Enno from Roon…Enno on YouTube)1 Like Andrew_Dean1 (Andrew Dean) September 27, 2020, 10:09pm 245 They’ve been saying this for months and months1 Like← previous pagenext page →