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26th November 2011 #91 fredhammersmith Registered User Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 13 🎧 10 years All reports seem to indicate that the (newer) KH120 bettered the 110 a lot, benefiting from years of R&D from Neumann. Share Reply Quote 26th November 2011 | Show parent #92 danger Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 627 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by fredhammersmith ➡️ All reports seem to indicate that the (newer) KH120 bettered the 110 a lot, benefiting from years of R&D from Neumann. I guess it's K&H staff's R&D. Share Reply Quote 26th November 2011 #93 fredhammersmith Registered User Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 13 🎧 10 years Quite possibly... Don't know what happened after the merge... Share Reply Quote 26th November 2011 | Show parent #94 John Willett Gear Guru 
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,825 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by mgdeal ➡️ I am looking to purchase either the K&H 0 110 or K&H 120. The 110 is about $400 more than the KH120. I noticed that the 110 is made in Germany and the 120 in Ireland. I am concerned about the production quality of the 120. Also, no one has mentioned anything about the differences in the amps. Can anyone provide information about these differences. Thanks, Mike The O110 is also made in Ireland, and has been for many years. The KH120 is the replacement for the O110 and is better. Only the O110D remains and will go when the KH120D is released. The cabinet of the O110 is very expensive to make - so the KH120 has a cast cabinet which can provide an enclosure of very high quality, but is cheaper to manufacture. Share Reply Quote 27th November 2011 | Show parent #95 mgdeal Registered User Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 4 🎧 10 years Quote: Originally Posted by John Willett ➡️ The O110 is also made in Ireland, and has been for many years. The KH120 is the replacement for the O110 and is better. Only the O110D remains and will go when the KH120D is released. The cabinet of the O110 is very expensive to make - so the KH120 has a cast cabinet which can provide an enclosure of very high quality, but is cheaper to manufacture. Ireland is not Germany - so not sure how they could legally state on the speaker of the 110 "made in Germany" if it was not. I will most likely buy one or the other and just want to know why the drop in price on the "new" line of the same monitor when what they had in the 110 appeared to be excellent. Why not just drop the price a little on the KH 110 to compete in the current market instead of rebuilding it. Is the cost of the cabinet that much more and/or is it not superior to what they have now designed. I guess I feel there is some cost cutting involved and possibly a drop in quality. Also any information about the differences in the amp supplied. Thanks. Share Reply Quote 27th November 2011 #96 fredhammersmith Registered User Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 13 🎧 10 years just listen to both you'll hear ;-) Share Reply Quote 27th November 2011 | Show parent #97 mgdeal Registered User Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 4 🎧 10 years Quote: Originally Posted by fredhammersmith ➡️ just listen to both you'll hear ;-) Very concerned about long-term performance and durability. I am a little worried about an amp going out and then the whole monitor is finished. Share Reply Quote 27th November 2011 | Show parent #98 Russell Dawkins Lives for gear 
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,055 My Recordings/Credits My Studio 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by mgdeal ➡️ Very concerned about long-term performance and durability. I am a little worried about an amp going out and then the whole monitor is finished. I wouldn't take a chance, because an amp might go out and then what could you do?? Share Reply Quote 27th November 2011 #99 John Willett Gear Guru Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,825 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by mgdeal ➡️ Ireland is not Germany - so not sure how they could legally state on the speaker of the 110 "made in Germany" if it was not. They can't. The O110 *used* to be made in Germany, but the factory was moved to Ireland several years ago. You were obviously looking at an older O110, that's all. Share Reply Quote 27th November 2011 #100 John Willett Gear Guru Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,825 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by mgdeal ➡️ I will most likely buy one or the other and just want to know why the drop in price on the "new" line of the same monitor when what they had in the 110 appeared to be excellent. Why not just drop the price a little on the KH 110 to compete in the current market instead of rebuilding it. Is the cost of the cabinet that much more and/or is it not superior to what they have now designed. The cabinet of the O110 is an old design - it's excellent, but very expensive to manufacture. The new KH120 has a cast chassis. This can be just as good in quality, but, once you have done the design work, is much cheaper to produce. This means that the KH120 can be both better in quality and cheaper to produce. I have heard the O110 and KH120 side-by-side and can't say it's worth swapping over for. But the KH120 does have a better bass and I may swap when the KH120D comes out. Share Reply Quote 2nd December 2011 | Show parent #101 mikael Gear Head 
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 46 My Studio 🎧 15 years MIX-review: Neumann KH 120A Studio Monitors Review | Mix Author Bobby Frasier Reviews Neumann KH 120A Studio Monitors Share Reply Quote 17th December 2011 #102 mgdeal Registered User Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 4 🎧 10 years I purchased a pair of KH 120A last week - breaking them in on the standard settings and they sound great. Will fine tune them to the home studio for recording later on. Very happy with the speakers so far. Appear very well built and look very nice next to my imac. Share Reply Quote 17th December 2011 | Show parent #103 third_eye Registered User Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 3 🎧 10 years I've had these for a few months now, and they continue to impress. They also look mighty nice on either side of my new Thunderbolt Display. Share Reply Quote 21st December 2011 | Show parent #104 Xill Registered User Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 244 🎧 10 years Quote: Originally Posted by third_eye ➡️ I've had these for a few months now, and they continue to impress. They also look mighty nice on either side of my new Thunderbolt Display. I've also had them for 3 months now, love them. Share Reply Quote 21st December 2011 | Show parent #105 Russell Dawkins Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,055 My Recordings/Credits My Studio 🎧 15 years Well, I finally got a pair of Neumann KH120s to compare with my KH0300s in the familiar environment of my studio. The results were not quite what I was hoping for, but were reassuring. To my ears, the absence of the dedicated mid driver (the 3" dome) was apparent. With the KH120s, certain sounds like the high tones of a conga and other transients in the mid range were just there, whereas the same sounds with the 0300s definitely popped more. The impression I had was that this range was more natural with the 0300s, as was the bass which was drier, more articulate and went lower. The highs, from about 3-4k up, I'd guess, were beautiful with the KH120 and sounded more informative and just as natural as the 0300s. I definitely preferred this range on the KH120s over what I heard from my 0300s. Imaging was slightly superior on the KH120s. Given the respect I have for my 0300s, this is a very credible result for the KH120 and is a fully meets what I would expect from the pedigree and would definitely be my first choice if I were in the market for a monitor of that size and price. I was hoping against hope that it would better my 0300s, but was reassured that it didn't. If I had the budget, though, I would buy a pair just to take on remote recordings for playback to the choirs and small ensembles I record, so I wouldn't have to make excuses for the little monitors I do use (little Fostex's). Share Reply Quote 21st December 2011 #106 John Willett Gear Guru Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,825 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by Russell Dawkins ➡️ Well, I finally got a pair of Neumann KH120s to compare with my KH0300s in the familiar environment of my studio. The results were not quite what I was hoping for, but were reassuring. To my ears, the absence of the dedicated mid driver (the 3" dome) was apparent. With the KH120s, certain sounds like the high tones of a conga and other transients in the mid range were just there, whereas the same sounds with the 0300s definitely popped more. The impression I had was that this range was more natural with the 0300s, as was the bass which was drier, more articulate and went lower. The highs, from about 3-4k up, I'd guess, were beautiful with the KH120 and sounded more informative and just as natural as the 0300s. I definitely preferred this range on the KH120s over what I heard from my 0300s. Imaging was slightly superior on the KH120s. Given the respect I have for my 0300s, this is a very credible result for the KH120 and is a fully meets what I would expect from the pedigree and would definitely be my first choice if I were in the market for a monitor of that size and price. I was hoping against hope that it would better my 0300s, but was reassured that it didn't. If I had the budget, though, I would buy a pair just to take on remote recordings for playback to the choirs and small ensembles I record, so I wouldn't have to make excuses for the little monitors I do use (little Fostex's). The KH120 replaces the O110, not the O300. Eventually the KH310 will replace the O300 - it just follows the K+H numbering but with a KH in front instead of an O. Share Reply Quote 22nd December 2011 | Show parent #107 Russell Dawkins Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,055 My Recordings/Credits My Studio 🎧 15 years I know the KH120 replaces the 0110 or, more properly, the o100. I was hoping, based on post #70 above, by Jantex, that the KH120 could replace my K+H o300s, but no such luck, it seems. One thing I failed to mention was that I heard a small amount of fuzzy distortion on a certain very dynamic passage through the KH120s that was not audible through the o300s and a quick triple check seemed to indicate the source of this distortion was the speaker itself. I think I may have to borrow the 120s again to make sure this was not a case of the 120s revealing distortion in the source material that the o300 were not revealing. The playback levels were moderate - around 75-80 dB at a metre. Share Reply Quote 22nd December 2011 | Show parent #108 John Willett Gear Guru Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,825 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by Russell Dawkins ➡️ I know the KH120 replaces the 0110 or, more properly, the o100. Well, to be strictly accurate, the O110 replaced the O100 and the KH120 replaced the O110. heh Share Reply Quote 22nd December 2011 | Show parent #109 fredhammersmith Registered User Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 13 🎧 10 years Quote: Originally Posted by Russell Dawkins ➡️ I know the KH120 replaces the 0110 or, more properly, the o100. I was hoping, based on post #70 above, by Jantex, that the KH120 could replace my K+H o300s, but no such luck, it seems. One thing I failed to mention was that I heard a small amount of fuzzy distortion on a certain very dynamic passage through the KH120s that was not audible through the o300s and a quick triple check seemed to indicate the source of this distortion was the speaker itself. I think I may have to borrow the 120s again to make sure this was not a case of the 120s revealing distortion in the source material that the o300 were not revealing. The playback levels were moderate - around 75-80 dB at a metre. Hi Russell, I am no pro like u guys around here, but i had the chance to compare a pair of o300 and the kh120 for a while. I do not know if the distorsion you refer to is similar to the sibilance problem i noticed on the kh120. But things got a lot better when i turned down the gain control of the kh120, an advice i had from somebody who noticed the low output impedance and the high voltage gain of my DAC (ULN-2). Share Reply Quote 22nd December 2011 | Show parent #110 Russell Dawkins Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,055 My Recordings/Credits My Studio 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by John Willett ➡️ Well, to be strictly accurate, the O110 replaced the O100 and the KH120 replaced the O110. heh Sorry; typo! I was intending to highlight the fact that K+H used a lower case "o" as the first element of their model numbers instead of the usually-seen zero and miss-typed the number. I meant to type KH o110, but slipped. I just checked the K+H website and see that digits are now used for the first element, so either they have (wisely) changed this, or I'm wrong. Nevermind, as Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say! Quote: Originally Posted by fredhammersmith ➡️ Hi Russell, I am no pro like u guys around here, but i had the chance to compare a pair of o300 and the kh120 for a while. I do not know if the distorsion you refer to is similar to the sibilance problem i noticed on the kh120. But things got a lot better when i turned down the gain control of the kh120, an advice i had from somebody who noticed the low output impedance and the high voltage gain of my DAC (ULN-2). Interesting - I believe I had the gains up full on the KH120s and they were being fed from my MIO 2882 - same family. I guess I will have to do a second comparison. Share Reply Quote 22nd December 2011 #111 John Willett Gear Guru Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,825 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by Russell Dawkins ➡️ Sorry; typo! I was intending to highlight the fact that K+H used a lower case "o" as the first element of their model numbers instead of the usually-seen zero and miss-typed the number. I meant to type KH o110, but slipped. I just checked the K+H website and see that digits are now used for the first element, so either they have (wisely) changed this, or I'm wrong. My understanding is that it is an upper case letter "O" and not a number zero (0). Share Reply Quote 23rd December 2011 | Show parent #112 Russell Dawkins Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,055 My Recordings/Credits My Studio 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by John Willett ➡️ My understanding is that it is an upper case letter "O" and not a number zero (0). I think you're right! R Share Reply Quote 24th December 2011 | Show parent #113 Benares Registered User Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 45 🎧 10 years Here in Germany where I come from, Neumann's KH120 is something like the new star on monitor heaven. They're really awesome in almost every aspect. Pristine Mids and highs, an unbelievably powerful and defined bass for a speaker of that size and an unbeatable bang for the buck. Stereo image is great, the sound totally detached from the speakers and very aligned over the whole frequency band. I very recommend the KH 120 not only for studios, but also for serious music listening. And it is in fact an upper letter "O". Share Reply Quote 3rd February 2012 #114 Jose Lives for gear 
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 837 My Recordings/Credits My Studio 🎧 15 years Just bought the KH120A and listened to some songs as a test.Saw them in a local shop for 1.000€ and couldn't resist. The bass is very defined, you know when you have too much bass for sure.Very pleasant highs, maybe too nice to hear the harshness sometimes. Share Reply Quote 4th April 2012 #115 DbassGroove Here for the gear Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 28 🎧 10 years Hi guys! I have the chance of getting a pair of used K&H O110D for 800€. At the beginning I was in the market for the neumann kh120 that I can find new for 1200€ the pair. Have you compared these 2 side by side? Apart from the extended low frequency response on the KH120 you think its worth the extra cash for the new model? As I can't audition the O110D i'm asking for opinions. If I buy the neumann's the difference after the tax refound with the K&H would be 200€, full warranty and improved monitor? Any Info would be apreciated... Thanks! Share Reply Quote 5th April 2012 | Show parent #116 John Willett Gear Guru Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,825 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by DbassGroove ➡️ Hi guys! I have the chance of getting a pair of used K&H O110D for 800€. At the beginning I was in the market for the neumann kh120 that I can find new for 1200€ the pair. Have you compared these 2 side by side? Apart from the extended low frequency response on the KH120 you think its worth the extra cash for the new model? As I can't audition the O110D i'm asking for opinions. If I buy the neumann's the difference after the tax refound with the K&H would be 200€, full warranty and improved monitor? Any Info would be apreciated... Thanks! I have had the K+H O110D for several years and they are excellent monitors. Yes, I have compared the O110D and the new KH120A side by side - the differences are very small and I decided not worth changing over (though obviously, if buying new, the KH120 is the one to go for). The choice is yours - obviously you get a full Guarantee with the KH120A and new monitors, while the O110D are second-hand. BUT - you do have the digital input with the O110D and not on the KH120A and the KH120D, when it comes, would be quite a bit more expensive. If you would only use the analogue input and the difference only ends up being €200, then I think, personally, I would go for the new KH120A. If you are going to use the digital input, then I would go for the O110D. I hope this helps. Share Reply Quote 11th April 2012 #117 DbassGroove Here for the gear Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 28 🎧 10 years Thanks for the Info! I think I will go with the neumann's. Also the used k&h are O100 instead of O110. Cheers Share Reply Quote 11th April 2012 #118 John Willett Gear Guru Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 11,825 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by DbassGroove ➡️ Thanks for the Info! I think I will go with the neumann's. Also the used k&h are O100 instead of O110. Cheers Wise choice. Share Reply Quote 12th April 2012 | Show parent #119 dickiefunk Lives for gear 
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,958 My Studio 🎧 15 years Quote: Originally Posted by DbassGroove ➡️ Thanks for the Info! I think I will go with the neumann's. Also the used k&h are O100 instead of O110. Cheers Enjoy!! Share Reply Quote 2nd November 2013 #120 autobot Registered User Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 170 🎧 15 years hello guys, can i ask you something? What is a good distance between the kh 120 in a room of 2,83 x 2,85 x 3,87m to start with? Share Reply Quote Top Mentioned Manufacturers -
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