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Thread starter gluve95
Start date Feb 4, 2021

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gluve95

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Joined Jul 4, 2017 Messages 570 Reaction score 667 I'm looking at something new to monitor my Boss GT1000 . Mainly at home. I go direct at church and use system floor monitor and we'll probably be going to in ears soon. So for just using at home in my office to set up patches, practice and jam with YouTube is it worth the significantly higher price of to K series over the CP. As a reference point I'm now using an Alto 210.

68Injunhed

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Joined Jun 15, 2015 Messages 664 Reaction score 813 Location SE Kansas Take presets that you like on your Alto, go to Guitar Center and try both.

Toby Krebs

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Joined Dec 20, 2012 Messages 2,989 Reaction score 4,663 The CPs are excellent I have two CP8s.The K series are great I have 2 K10.2s but they are for full PA use.The CP8 is a killer value priced speaker for modelers.Can’t go wrong with them. V

veryaxe

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Joined Nov 16, 2020 Messages 384 Reaction score 450 If you want something for home/office use, nothing beats a good pair of studio monitors. If you already have monitors I would upgrade the GT-1000 instead. Last edited: Feb 6, 2021

shanesiegle

Silver Supporting Member Joined Feb 23, 2008 Messages 3,080 Reaction score 1,650 Location Middle America I have a CP12 and a K10, I actually prefer the CP12 as I think the midrange is fuller for guitar with the bigger driver. They sound really, really close though. The K series obviously has more power so if you were going to be playing huge rooms and that was your main source of guitar sound it may be worth it but the CP12 is very loud.

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Joined Jul 1, 2008 Messages 878 Reaction score 2,924 Location Washington DC I have a pair of k10.2s with a Mackie mixer, that's my main PA, but I also use it to dial in my direct tones. I love it for that purpose because I am in an electronic industrial rock duo and everything we do is via DI, guitars included. Using this PA system as my reference allowed me to create tones for all instruments that translate extremely well in every venue we played from larger ones like the HOB or Baltimore SoundStage to small clubs. The K series is very truthful to the source tones, that's its main strength. I've had monitors that were more "pleasant" sounding but they made it harder to use as a point of reference because they were adding too much coloration (even though they're supposed to be FRFR). The Ks don't do that (unless you want them to and use the built-in eq etc)... but when you set them flat, they're flat. But YMMV. Last edited: Feb 5, 2021 Baba

Baba

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veryaxe said: If you want something for home/office use, nothing beats a good pair of monitors. If you already have monitors I would upgrade the GT-1000 instead. Click to expand...

Phil_Mayger

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Joined Oct 22, 2014 Messages 309 Reaction score 398 Location Wiltshire, UK CP8 here, replaced an Alto TS310. Better in many ways, I have no regrets at all. Lopp

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guitarbilly74 said: ...The K series is very truthful to the source tones, that's its main strength. I've had monitors that were more "pleasant" sounding but they made it harder to use as a point of reference because they were adding too much coloration (even though they're supposed to be FRFR). The Ks don't do that (unless you want them to and use the built-in eq etc)... but when you set them flat, they're flat. But YMMV. Click to expand...

Yeah. Typically, as you go up in price the improvements become more subtle, but they are there. For example, I don't think the K12 matches the HPR122i's in terms of frequency response (never owned a CP). I even used K12 instead of the HPR at rehearsal once for reasons I don't remember. Not only did I notice the difference, but the bass player, without prompting, indicated he preferred the HPR. Not to say the K12 isn't a great speaker, just that you often get incremental improvements in performance at higher prices. Sometimes those subtleties are not important in the grand scene of things. I still use both speakers and they both sound great. V

veryaxe

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Baba said: Click to expand...

Studio monitor speakers are generally much more accurate per price than PA speakers. The reason is that PA speakers have to be loud, so it is harder to make them accurate sounding. That's why those that sound good are so expensive. He is not using the loud volume at home/office, but he would benefit from the accuracy when making patches. Hence the monitor speakers are the best choice. Now if he has studio monitors and still wants better sound, the best choice is to upgrade the GT-1000. :console

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shanesiegle

Silver Supporting Member Joined Feb 23, 2008 Messages 3,080 Reaction score 1,650 Location Middle America The GT1000 sounds awesome, resume the thread please

JiveTurkey

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Joined Mar 9, 2009 Messages 25,705 Reaction score 55,302 Yes further regale us with your endless tales of GT1000 experience. Pedro58

Pedro58

Silver Supporting Member Joined Dec 9, 2003 Messages 7,466 Reaction score 8,160 Location North Texas I had a K10 for years that was overkill. I used it much like the OP. I have a CP8 now and I like it much better for home & practice. Live onstage, I use the band stuff, which is EV & JBL stuff with 12" speakers. I have used the CP8 a few times for gigs when the stage is that small. It does the job, but the 12" monitors just sit better. V

veryaxe

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shanesiegle said: The GT1000 sounds awesome, resume the thread please Click to expand...

What does that have to do with the speaker discussion though? OP says he wants something to use at home/office. All I'm saying is that since the OP probably wouldn't need the loudness of a PA speaker for Home/Office use, getting studio monitors would increase the accuracy of his sound for building patches/playing with youtube etc. If he has good studio monitors and he is happy with the sound he is getting, obviously not much point in spending more money on a PA speaker unless he actually needs to go loud. On the other hand, if he has a good pair of studio monitors and still wants to improve the tone, the only thing to upgrade would logically be the GT1000. I don't get why people feel attacked over this? It is just basic gear progression, spend money where you get the most benefit per cost. Last edited: Feb 6, 2021

shanesiegle

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veryaxe said: What does that have to do with the speaker discussion though? OP says he wants something to use at home/office. All I'm saying is that since the OP probably wouldn't need the loudness of a PA speaker for Home/Office use, getting monitors would increase the accuracy of his sound for building patches/playing with youtube etc. If he has good monitors and he is happy with the sound he is getting, obviously not much point in spending more money on a PA speaker unless he actually needs to go loud. On the other hand, if he has a good pair of monitors and still wants to improve the tone, the only thing to upgrade would logically be the GT1000. I don't get why people feel attacked over this? It is just basic gear progression, spend money where you get the most benefit per cost. Click to expand...

I was pointing out he was just asking about speakers, not saying he wasn't happy with his tone. I don't feel attacked at all, I don't even have a GT1000 anymore. I was just trying to get back on point of the thread. V

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shanesiegle said: I was pointing out he was just asking about speakers, not saying he wasn't happy with his tone. I don't feel attacked at all, I don't even have a GT1000 anymore. I was just trying to get back on point of the thread. Click to expand...

Getting anything better than the GT1000 would definitely be the biggest improvement to his tone. Even if you look at modeller comparisons online this one is either no included because it is not in the ballpark or it show how far off it is. People have different ears though, feel free to use whatever you want. My suggestion was about speakers though. The thing is the louder you make a sound system the harder it is to keep the response flat, that's why good FRFRs are so expensive. There is also the problem that if you use them at low volumes most of them would not be flat at all. Admittedly I got an entry level one(headrush FRFR-108) but it does smoothen the low end quite a bit and takes the bite away from the sound when played at low volumes. A pair of Yamaha HS7s would be much more accurate compared to a couple of similarly priced PA speakers and plenty loud enough for home/office. Now he might need something loud for home use for some reason, I don't know. I didn't try to guess if he is happy with his tone or not, just shared my experience about PA vs monitors for home use. As he said he wants something different I went with the idea that different means better, so looking for improvement in tone. So improvements would be in order of price/performance: IMO best to invest in good studio monitors and if you have that then upgrade the modeller. So unless you want something loud, or something that you can occasionally turn up real loud, no point in spending money on another PA speaker. Last edited: May 20, 2021

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Silver Supporting Member Joined Nov 2, 2010 Messages 4,670 Reaction score 9,930 Location Frisco, TX For your use - the CP8 would be perfect and the K series overkill in my opinion. I used to have an Alto and now have a CP8 (among a few other speakers). Sounds much bigger than an 8” speaker should, nice clarity, and gets loud when I want to crank it. Big improvement IMHO over the Alto. G

gluve95

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Joined Jul 4, 2017 Messages 570 Reaction score 667 Let me be clear the GT1000 is excellent. It does not need upgraded. Those who don't believe that the GT1000 should be mentioned in the same breath as Line6, Fractal, Atomic more then likely have not spent any real time with it. I have a feeling there are still way to many people judging the GT1000 based on exsperiance with previous GT models. There are plenty of people who have tried different modelers and landed on the GT1000.

shanesiegle

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gluve95 said: Let me be clear the GT1000 is excellent. It does not need upgraded. Those who don't believe that the GT1000 should be mentioned in the same breath as Line6, Fractal, Atomic more then likely have not spent any real time with it. I have a feeling there are still way to many people judging the GT1000 based on exsperiance with previous GT models. There are plenty of people who have tried different modelers and landed on the GT1000. Click to expand...

Couldn’t agree more, I have an FM3 now but the GT1000 absolutely hangs and does things the FM can’t. I just wanted more amp variety. I will probably have one again some day. I like it way better than the Line6 stuff. A

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veryaxe said: Studio monitor speakers are generally much more accurate per price than PA speakers. The reason is that PA speakers have to be loud, so it is harder to make them accurate sounding. That's why those that sound good are so expensive. Click to expand...

This - and the PA guys have been refining their designs for decades.

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