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mechgirl

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Joined Apr 1, 2008 Messages 48 I know this is very basic, but I'm feeling like I'm missing something. Enthalpy as an example: I know that hf is enthalpy of saturated liquid, and hg is enthalpy of saturated vapor, and hfg = (hg - hf). I was working some vapor cycle problems last week, and from the steam tables, I would select hg for saturated steam at the given temp/pressure. Instead of hg, the solution selected hfg. I wish I could remember which problem, but I don't even remember which book I was working in. I just continued working problems at the time, but now I'm thinking about it and feeling confused. So, when would I select "fg" instead of "g" from the steam tables? I just feel so overloaded and tired and frustrated now, and like I'll never pass. A week ago, I was feeling pretty confident. Ugh. Ok, must refocus...

Firefly

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Joined Dec 14, 2009 Messages 42 Location Charleston, SC hfg can be used as the latent energy and is used when finding the quality. B

Bman

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Joined Jul 3, 2007 Messages 182 Location Ft Lauderdale, Fl fg is the enthalpy (entropy, etc) required for evaporation. There are certain equations that require you to use the "fg" such as the liquid-vapor equations- h = hf + (x)hfg where x is the quality. It's also used in other equations. I think you just need to be careful on what the question is asking and what you need to solve it. M

mechgirl

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Bman said: fg is the enthalpy (entropy, etc) required for evaporation. There are certain equations that require you to use the "fg" such as the liquid-vapor equations- h = hf + (x)hfg where x is the quality. It's also used in other equations. I think you just need to be careful on what the question is asking and what you need to solve it. Click to expand...

I know to use hfg for quality. I think this problem was a vapor power cycle, and I was finding the enthalpy of sat steam at a point. The solution used hfg while I used hg. They weren't finding quality, but said that hfg was the enthalpy of the steam at that point. It didn't make sense to me. What other times, besides finding quality, would I need hfg? Why would I select hfg instead of hg at a sat steam state point?

Baltimore Joe

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mechgirl said:

Bman said: fg is the enthalpy (entropy, etc) required for evaporation. There are certain equations that require you to use the "fg" such as the liquid-vapor equations- h = hf + (x)hfg where x is the quality. It's also used in other equations. I think you just need to be careful on what the question is asking and what you need to solve it. Click to expand...

I know to use hfg for quality. I think this problem was a vapor power cycle, and I was finding the enthalpy of sat steam at a point. The solution used hfg while I used hg. They weren't finding quality, but said that hfg was the enthalpy of the steam at that point. It didn't make sense to me. What other times, besides finding quality, would I need hfg? Why would I select hfg instead of hg at a sat steam state point? Click to expand...

I’d focus on phase change, specifically at the boiler or condenser. Here are locations when H fg may be applied, provided that the steam is going from a saturated liquid to a saturated gas or visa versa. G

gaidox

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Joined Mar 9, 2010 Messages 69 Location California

Baltimore Joe said:

mechgirl said:

Bman said: fg is the enthalpy (entropy, etc) required for evaporation. There are certain equations that require you to use the "fg" such as the liquid-vapor equations- h = hf + (x)hfg where x is the quality. It's also used in other equations. I think you just need to be careful on what the question is asking and what you need to solve it. Click to expand...

I know to use hfg for quality. I think this problem was a vapor power cycle, and I was finding the enthalpy of sat steam at a point. The solution used hfg while I used hg. They weren't finding quality, but said that hfg was the enthalpy of the steam at that point. It didn't make sense to me. What other times, besides finding quality, would I need hfg? Why would I select hfg instead of hg at a sat steam state point? Click to expand...

I’d focus on phase change, specifically at the boiler or condenser. Here are locations when H fg may be applied, provided that the steam is going from a saturated liquid to a saturated gas or visa versa. Click to expand...

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