Strat Wiring Help (Tone #2 For Bridge, Tone #1 For Neck And Middle)
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Freedom
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Joined Nov 29, 2006 Messages 651 Reaction score 411 Location Europe Hi gang! So, I've been using the Obdsidianwire harness for some time now (HSS, installed in two of my guitars) and I much appreciate a dedicated Tone for the bridge pickup as personally, I never needed to touch these for the middle and neck pups the last 25 years. I do have another strat that I don't intent to upgrade as it doesn't get played much nowadays, but since I leave the 3 single coil pups in there I bet I would be benefited from a dedicated Tone for the bridge pup. So, can anyone please provide me with a SSS 5way switch wiring that uses the 1st tone (the one in the middle) for the neck and middle pickups and the 2nd tone? Thanks in advance! PS: I've found wirings were the middle Tone is used for both the middle and bridge (a very minor changing in the 5way switch wiring) but I must prefer a separate Tone for the bridge.
gulliver
Silver Supporting Member Joined Jun 25, 2005 Messages 20,011 Reaction score 22,016 Location Buffalo, NY With a standard switch (not a super switch), you can assign the two tone controls to any two of the three pickups. If you don't mind leaving the middle without a tone control, you can do neck and bridge just by moving the middle tone control wire one tab over (from 2 to 1 in the diagram). With a super switch, you will have many more options. My recommendation would be to do a master tone that covers them all (with no "double load" on the in between positions) and then do a 1/2 blender, which blends the neck into the bridge position (but not the bridge into the neck). This will give a wider and more useful control of the bridge. I have a recent post on this, search "1/2 blender". It uses a standard 5-way but you need to buy a blender pot for $6. Wiring is very easy. I just finished my first one a few days ago and it really frees that bridge pickup.
Freedom
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Joined Nov 29, 2006 Messages 651 Reaction score 411 Location Europe Thanks for the reply. First of all, I prefer a dedicated tone for the bridge instead of a master tone as chances are (based on my existing experience on how I use them so far) I will be setting the bridge Tone pot for a specific sound (rolled off a bit) while I still want to be able to switch to the other positions without having to setting and resetting the master tone again and again. So, the best config for me would be either one Tone for the neck and middle that I will never or rarely use (I guess better having this option than not at all, right?) and another Tone stricktly for the bridge. I think this is the diagram I've been looking for:
gulliver
Silver Supporting Member Joined Jun 25, 2005 Messages 20,011 Reaction score 22,016 Location Buffalo, NY ^ You're right, I was concerned that the red patch in your diagram would short the two pickups, but now that I follow the paths, I see that it will do what you want.
darkphader
Silver Supporting Member Joined May 3, 2014 Messages 938 Reaction score 669 Location Motown The issue to keep in mind when not using a a real 5-way/4-pole switch (versus a 5-position/3-way/2-pole standard Strat switch) is that in position 2 both tone controls will be in the circuit. Freedom
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Joined Nov 29, 2006 Messages 651 Reaction score 411 Location Europedarkphader said: The issue to keep in mind when not using a a real 5-way/4-pole switch (versus a 5-position/3-way/2-pole standard Strat switch) is that in position 2 both tone controls will be in the circuit. Click to expand...Thanks for the info. I'll give it a try and check the implications but if that's the only one then I'll stick with it. I much prefer having a usable sound from the bridge pup than a super quacky one from bridge/middle pups combo. Last edited: Jan 8, 2020
macrossgeorge
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Gold Supporting Member Joined Jan 10, 2020 Messages 7,302 Reaction score 18,389 Location Earth @Freedom How did this go? I am interested in wiring my strat the same way you suggest, master volume, tone 1 controls both neck and middle pickups, tone 2 controls bridge pickup. If there was an image above I cannot see it. I would love to get a diagram on how to wire it that way too though. macrossgeorge
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Gold Supporting Member Joined Jan 10, 2020 Messages 7,302 Reaction score 18,389 Location Earth Nevermind, I think I found it here https://www.fralinpickups.com/2020/01/06/stratocaster-wiring-tips-mods-more/
John Hurtt
Platinum Supporting Member Joined Jun 3, 2002 Messages 21,528 Reaction score 30,287 Location Northern Californiamacrossgeorge said: @Freedom How did this go? I am interested in wiring my strat the same way you suggest, master volume, tone 1 controls both neck and middle pickups, tone 2 controls bridge pickup. If there was an image above I cannot see it. I would love to get a diagram on how to wire it that way too though. Click to expand...Edited: That's it. The diagram above also shows independent tone capacitors for each. This doesn't impact the switch wiring.
Freedom
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Joined Nov 29, 2006 Messages 651 Reaction score 411 Location Europe Wow, I had totally forggoten this thread! Anyway, I just changed the wiring on the switch (initial wiring was standard) and that was it, Bob's your uncle.Leftybluesman13
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Joined Jul 19, 2012 Messages 46 Reaction score 44 Location BluesvilleFreedom said: Wow, I had totally forggoten this thread! Anyway, I just changed the wiring on the switch (initial wiring was standard) and that was it, Bob's your uncle. View attachment 586034 Couldn't be any easier, works as expected, costs nothing, takes a minute or so. PS: funny thing is, I don't use this guitar nowadays, my two active ones have the HSS Obsidianwire harness so by default the bridge has its own tone pot and the middle/neck share the second one. Click to expand...using this wiring allows you to have T1 for the neck and middle pickup and T2 for the bridge? In position 2 (bridge and middle pickups), both T1 and T2 are both active? So, is it possible to adjust one of them on 10 (treble) and the other one on 0 (bass)? I don't have a humbucker guitar, but is doing this the same as selecting the middle switch on a humbucker guitar and adjusting one tone pot on 0 and the other on 10? I read somewhere that Albert King adjusted his Flying V by putting the selector switch in the middle and turning one tone on 0 and the other on 10. Last edited: Sep 30, 2024
Freedom
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Joined Nov 29, 2006 Messages 651 Reaction score 411 Location Europe T2 only for the bridge, T1 for both middle and neck, that's correct. I don't currently have a guitar with this wiring but I would guess that, yes, at the in between positions you can use both tone controls to shape the sound the way you like. Isn't that the case with the classic wiring where T2 is for the middle and the T1 for the neck? Honest question, I haven't used a strat with this wiring since forever. In fact, I wasn't even used the tone controls because to me a tone control for middle and especially the neck was kinda obsolete. FFrankster
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Joined Jun 28, 2018 Messages 3,888 Reaction score 6,333 One alternative for the original wiring of the stratocaster: move the middle pickup tone to control the bridge. So tone one controls the neck, tone two controls the bridge. Middle pickup is left wide open. It makes for strongs in-between tones, as those sometimes (depending on pickups and how you set them) can turn a bit more distant than the individual pickup positions.
Bazaboy33
Silver Supporting Member Joined May 4, 2007 Messages 4,075 Reaction score 4,732 Location Durham, NCFrankster said: One alternative for the original wiring of the stratocaster: move the middle pickup tone to control the bridge. So tone one controls the neck, tone two controls the bridge. Middle pickup is left wide open. It makes for strongs in-between tones, as those sometimes (depending on pickups and how you set them) can turn a bit more distant than the individual pickup positions. Click to expand...It also allows you to drop the middle pickup a bit lower to even out the levels, which gets it out of the way for picking in various positions for different timbres. I prefer this setup with a neck on switch. L
Leftybluesman13
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Joined Jul 19, 2012 Messages 46 Reaction score 44 Location Bluesvilledarkphader said: The issue to keep in mind when not using a a real 5-way/4-pole switch (versus a 5-position/3-way/2-pole standard Strat switch) is that in position 2 both tone controls will be in the circuit. Click to expand...Is there a downside to that? L
Leftybluesman13
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Joined Jul 19, 2012 Messages 46 Reaction score 44 Location BluesvilleFrankster said: It makes for strongs in-between tones, as those sometimes (depending on pickups and how you set them) can turn a bit more distant than the individual pickup positions. Click to expand...what do you mean? F
Frankster
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Joined Jun 28, 2018 Messages 3,888 Reaction score 6,333Leftybluesman13 said: what do you mean? Click to expand...If you take the pot out of the signal path, you have a bit of a louder and brighter tone. The in-between tones (neck+middle, bridge+middle) can sometimes appear as a bit quieter/not as present as the individual pickup tones. (neck, middle, bridge). Having the middle pickup be a bit more open and loud remedies that to a degree. L
Leftybluesman13
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Joined Jul 19, 2012 Messages 46 Reaction score 44 Location BluesvilleFrankster said: If you take the pot out of the signal path, you have a bit of a louder and brighter tone. The in-between tones (neck+middle, bridge+middle) can sometimes appear as a bit quieter/not as present as the individual pickup tones. (neck, middle, bridge). Having the middle pickup be a bit more open and loud remedies that to a degree. Click to expand...You're right! I wired my strat with T1 for neck/middle and T2 for bridge. You must be right because T1 doesn't have as much treble (and maybe bass too) when wired to both neck and middle, as opposed to having just one pickup wired to it. I do use the tone controls a lot on my guitar, so its important to have the ability to adjust the tone for all pickups. I might wire it back to using a blender and a master tone, but I didn't really like the sound of the bridge and neck together...
I do like the option to have different capacitors for each pot - I clipping different values (.033, .022, .047) to see how they sounded for each pot. I was surprised that I like a .047 for the bridge pickup, and none of those three I really liked for the neck/middle pickups, so i used a .022 which was the lowest value cap I had on hand.....since wiring 1 pot to two pickups seems to limit the brightness, I was thinking of trying some others...any suggestions? 
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Silver Supporting Member Joined Jun 7, 2008 Messages 6,540 Reaction score 4,205 Location The Mid-WestLeftybluesman13 said: You're right! I wired my strat with T1 for neck/middle and T2 for bridge. You must be right because T1 doesn't have as much treble (and maybe bass too) when wired to both neck and middle, as opposed to having just one pickup wired to it. I do use the tone controls a lot on my guitar, so its important to have the ability to adjust the tone for all pickups. I might wire it back to using a blender and a master tone, but I didn't really like the sound of the bridge and neck together...I use a no-load tone pot for neck&middle. It improves the brightness on those positions. F
Frankster
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Joined Jun 28, 2018 Messages 3,888 Reaction score 6,333Leftybluesman13 said: You're right! I wired my strat with T1 for neck/middle and T2 for bridge. You must be right because T1 doesn't have as much treble (and maybe bass too) when wired to both neck and middle, as opposed to having just one pickup wired to it. I do use the tone controls a lot on my guitar, so its important to have the ability to adjust the tone for all pickups. I might wire it back to using a blender and a master tone, but I didn't really like the sound of the bridge and neck together...This left me a little confused. What do you mean that T1 does not have as much treble with two pickups wired to it? EDIT: ah, I might see what you mean, you phrasing is just confusing. How can tone pot have less treble..you must be talking about pickup positions. But that was not what I mean, nor should be the essence of what happens. When you remove a pot from the signal path (in this case, from the middle pickup), it will make it a bit brighter and probably louder. A regular pot will slightly darken and dampen the signal even when it's on 10. This can be desirable too. But hen you have a pickup like that in the mix in a strat (like neck+middle), that selection will be a bit stronger. People sometimes install 'blower' switches on the guitar: wire a pickup straight to output, bypass all the pots. Last edited: Oct 4, 2024
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