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• Thread starter Michael Thibault
• Start date Oct 11, 2019
• Tags encore premiere pro

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Michael Thibault

The title kinda says it all. I'm trying to transcode a Prores HQ clip into H.264 Blu-Ray for use in Encore CS6 (I know, I know, but I'm on a Mac and that's all there is) but PPro and Media Encoder each force the file into m4v extension. If I try changing it to .264 it plays but Encore insists on transcoding it, which isn't really necessary. I've tried it from Premiere Pro 2018 & 2019, Media Encoder CS6 & 2019 and get the same result. If I look at the info for the clip it says h264 but if I change the extension it doesn't play well with others. Apple Compressor doesn't have this problem and those files slip right into Encore CS6 without a problem... except it looks like *really bad.* I mean, it's not even a contest. Even at the highest settings Adobe Media Encoder kicks its ass. Is there something I'm missing or any suggestions? EDIT: I should mention this is for a feature release with multiple custom menus and scene selections. It requires an authoring, so direct out of Compressor or Toast won't work. There's not a lot of affordable solutions on a Mac that's why I'm using Encore CS6. Last edited: Oct 11, 2019

Darius Family

Compressor can do basic DVD/BluRay Authoring (eg autoplay or basic menu discs). I gave up trying to work out the various requirements for encore to work. I just use Compressor on Mac or TMPEG Authoring Works on Windows. Life is much better without encore now haha

Tim Whiting

The file is h.264, the extension is m4v. Just put the m4v in encore and it will use it without transcoding M

Michael Thibault

Darius Family said: Compressor can do basic DVD/BluRay Authoring (eg autoplay or basic menu discs). I gave up trying to work out the various requirements for encore to work. I just use Compressor on Mac or TMPEG Authoring Works on Windows. Life is much better without encore now haha Click to expand...

Unfortunately, I need to author with menus. There aren't many options left for Mac users. M

Michael Thibault

Tim Whiting said: The file is h.264, the extension is m4v. Just put the m4v in encore and it will use it without transcoding Click to expand...

Being that Encore is older and supports H.264 & MPEG-2, isn't m4v MPEG-4? Wouldn't it have to transcode it? Last edited: Oct 11, 2019

Cary Knoop

Michael Thibault said: Being that Encore is older and supports H.264 & MPEG-2, isn't m4v MPEG-4? Wouldn't it have to transcode it? Click to expand...

H.264 = MPEG-4 (part 10). M

Michael Thibault

Cary Knoop said: H.264 = MPEG-4 (part 10). Click to expand...

I'm a little confused... it's not that H.264 is the codec it's that Encore CS6 is an old program that hasn't been updated since 2016. It won't have an issue with that? Does it burn to the Blu-Ray disc as a w4v file? I've run a few tests and when I bring in a m4v media clip that was generated from Adobe Media Encoder it plays but then it starts making the whole project wonky and beachballing. The .264 clip that Apple Compressor generates does not, but it doesn't look as good either. Thanks. Last edited: Oct 11, 2019

Marc Wielage

I don't think it can do that. If I were you, I would use Toast and do this on a Mac.

Tero Ahlfors

I've done a lot of blu rays with the AME preset and Encore. If it's not working then it's probably because of some other issue as Encore is dead and hasn't been updated. I've also used files made the AME blu ray presets with Easy BD. M

Michael Thibault

Marc Wielage said: I don't think it can do that. If I were you, I would use Toast and do this on a Mac. Click to expand...

I can't use Toast. It's for a feature release and has multiple custom menus and scene selections. And I'm on a Mac, it's just there aren't any other options that are remotely affordable for complicated Blu-Ray authoring anymore. Last edited: Oct 11, 2019 M

Michael Thibault

Tero Ahlfors said: I've done a lot of blu rays with the AME preset and Encore. If it's not working then it's probably because of some other issue as Encore is dead and hasn't been updated. I've also used files made the AME blu ray presets with Easy BD. Click to expand...

Has AME always exported w4v files? In the CS6 version of AME it offers 720p w2v and 1080p w4v? Is that right? Because I can't figure out if it got changed during one of the CC updates, like when the Dolby plugin got yanked.

Tero Ahlfors

If you use the H264 bluray preset you will get an unmuxed pair of files. As said a bunch of times already the m4v file is the video track. The wav file is the audio track. M

Michael Thibault

Tero Ahlfors said: If you use the H264 bluray preset you will get an unmuxed pair of files. As said a bunch of times already the m4v file is the video track. The wav file is the audio track. Click to expand...

Okay, thanks. I'm not trying to be obtuse it's jut that my head is spinning because Apple Compressor puts out a .264 file which plays nicely, while the AME w4v has flash frames when I test it and puts me in 'pending' hell every time I go into the project. It didn't seem right. Thanks. Last edited: Oct 11, 2019 M

Michael Thibault

Tero Ahlfors said: If you use the H264 bluray preset you will get an unmuxed pair of files. As said a bunch of times already the m4v file is the video track. The wav file is the audio track. Click to expand...

Wait... there is no "Do Not Transcode" option for the w4v files. There's only a choice between Pending and Automatic. Is that right? There is for the Compressor .264 exports.

Perry Paolantonio

Michael Thibault said: I can't use Toast. It's for a feature release and has multiple custom menus and scene selections. And I'm on a Mac, it's just there aren't any other options that are remotely affordable for complicated Blu-Ray authoring anymore. Click to expand...

Encore doesn't let you author proper Blu-rays with menus. I mean, it can make menus but they're subject to the limitations of DVD menus. They won't function like a normal HDMV disc, where the menus are an overlay layer on top of a generic background. There may have been some workarounds to do this in later versions, but it's clunky as hell and looks bad. You're better off hiring someone who knows how to do this because Blu-ray authoring for commercial release is a gigantic pain in the butt with a lot of pitfalls. I'd offer to do it but mercifully we got out of that world last year and are no longer authoring discs. While it's certainly possible with Encore, it's not going to look great. As for the file format question, m4v is just a container and it can contain AVC, which is the blu-ray compliant flavor of H.264. Compressor makes terrible files, and so does AME, unless you're doing very high bit rates for both. If you want a good result, use x264 - it's command line but the results are outstanding. The last 70 or so commercial releases we did on Blu were done using this and it blows all other commercial encoders out of the water. The recipes for Blu-ray compliant files are here: http://www.x264bluray.com/ But seriously, if you're going to replication, there's more to it than just the encoding. You have to make sure the disc is formatted just so. Many replicators will take non-compliant discs but then they mess with them on their end to make them compliant, and we've seen that break discs. Find someone using Scenarist or Blu-Print to do this for you. -perry M

Michael Thibault

Perry Paolantonio said: Blu-ray authoring for commercial release is a gigantic pain in the butt with a lot of pitfalls. Click to expand...

No kidding. It's been a friggin' nightmare trying to get this done. Unfortunately, while x264 is probably what I want it's impossible to find out how to actually *install it* in my system. I am not a coder and I can't find anything that isn't completely obtuse and assumes you know fifteen steps in-between that they're not mentioning. Ugh. Look, I hear what you're saying. But this is a micro-budget film and we are smack dab out of money. There aren't many options left since we're on Mac and the prosumer apps for OS X have left the building. The last shop I called about doing this work wanted $1,000 and was still using Encore CS6. I wouldn't even know where to look. Thanks.

Perry Paolantonio

Michael Thibault said: But this is a micro-budget film and we are smack dab out of money. Click to expand...

That right there is why we stopped authoring discs. I mean, aside from the fact that requests were so rare over the last few years - by the time the job got to us, there was no budget left. And a professionally authored feature film takes at minimum 2-3 days of work. So $1000 is quite reasonable for the amount of work involved, as you've discovered! On a mac, Homebrew is your friend for command line applications: http://macappstore.org/x264/ Step 2 installs homebrew, which makes it really easy to install command line applications without having to compile code. Step 3 installs x264. Once you have that installed, you open a command line and use the instructions at the link I provided above, changing the name of the files in the file path to your mov files. That said, I've never used it on a mac. We used x264 on Windows and preprocessed through AVISynth (Windows only, because it didn't handle files like ProRes natively), but the commands would be the same on mac and you shouldn't need AVISynth since ProRes will be handled by the OS, assuming that's your starting codec. M

Michael Thibault

Perry Paolantonio said: On a mac, Homebrew is your friend for command line applications: http://macappstore.org/x264/ Click to expand...

Thanks. But it seems it didn't install correctly. It keeps crapping out at "tune film: command not found" Ugh.

Perry Paolantonio

Michael Thibault said: Thanks. But it seems it didn't install correctly. It keeps crapping out at "tune film: command not found" Ugh. Click to expand...

what's the exact command you're giving it? copy/paste it here, then wrap that in "code" tages (select the line, then click the + icon in the toolbar at the top of the post editor, and choose "</> code" from the list. This will format your line with a monospace font, which makes it easier to spot mistakes. Make sure you include the entire line from the terminal window M

Michael Thibault

Code: x264 --bitrate 25000 --preset veryslow --tune film --bluray-compat --vbv-maxrate 30000 --vbv-bufsize 25000 --level 4.1 --keyint 24 --open-gop --slices 4 --colorprim "bt709" --transfer "bt709" --colormatrix "bt709" --sar 1:1 --pass 2 -o out.264 ~/Desktop/CrunchTEST_ProresHQ.mov Here ya go.

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