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• Thread starter Ed Dumas
• Start date Dec 3, 2014

Ed Dumas

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I have a oportunity to et a X-m1 body CHEAP this weekend, undecided so far, would like to hear opinions from anyone who has (as I do) either a E1 or E2 and a M1 How do you like it? anything you like about it better than E2? Rather like the siza and tilt screen...

Miyata610

Moderator

I have the xa1 and the xe1. The xa1 makes a fine second body. I'd prefer an EVF. It lacks a few features, but in a second body I don't care. It's great with the xf18 and a hot shoe OVF. The thing I miss most is a shutter speed dial.

Frankie

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I hate arm's length cameras...period.

Miyata610

Moderator

Frankie said: I hate arm's length cameras...period. Click to expand...

I am yet to use it at arms length. I use it waist level most, like my Hasselblads. But I also use it with a hot shoe OVF. There is no requirement to ever use these fine cameras at arms length.

royuk

ex-pro, now a happy amateur

Miyata610 said: There is no requirement to ever use these fine cameras at arms length. Click to expand...

I agree that Hassie-style waist level shooting is ideal with the X-A1/M1 but when going for a vertical shot, things can get a bit awkward I have the X-E1, X-M1 and X-T1. The X-M1 is often the most fun to use - especially with the XF27 and even more so with the Samyang 8mm I've 'solved' the lack of EVF[SIZE=14.3999996185303px] when using the X-M1[/SIZE] by hanging a Hoodman magnifier around my neck. Roy

David Winskill

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Royuk has put his finger on it. I have an xa1 as well as an xe1 and xpro1. Apart from being fun to use, the xa1 is also a very friendly and forgiving bit of kit. If you buy it at a bargain price, I don't think you'll regret it.

Ed Dumas

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Thread starter Thanks guys, Appreciate the thoughts...one thing that stands out is I have not very steady hands, so would not like holding far from body either. On the other hand you can flip the screen for nice low angle shots...ARG decisions decisions....

Activatedfx

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I picked up an X-A1 on impulse when I spotted a brand new body-only for $200. I have to admit, while it does not displace my X-E2, I do enjoy it's smaller, lighter profile. And, because it was relatively "inexpensive", I don't worry about throwing it over my shoulder and bumming around NYC. I do miss the EVF, but the tilt screen definitely makes up for some of that. It will be the body I take skiing this winter, because it's smaller and lighter, and I can't really use the X-E2 viewfinder with ski goggles on!! I say go for the E-M1. It's nice to have that 2nd body, and you sacrifice NO IQ. Throw the 35 or 27 on it and it's a high quality "point and shoot"! Y

YonathanZ

New Member

The X-A1 doesn't have an X-Trans sensor, so I'd skip it. The X-M1 is just $100 more.

Activatedfx

Well-Known Member

I bought the X-A1 both for the cheaper price and to see what a 16mp Fuji Bayer sensor shot like. I have to admit, I would not hesitate to use the X-A1 as my only body (except for the lack of an EVF and no phase-detect AF). The image quality is equal to the X-E2 in every way. Sharp, detailed, good DR. Maybe a tiny bit noisier at higher ISO's, but noisy in a nice, film-grain way. X-A1 files also seem to have a little "special sauce" mixed in... a little extra punch. Or something. Very subtle. But honestly, it's Apples and Apples. That said, the X-M1 has a nicer build quality (the X-A1 is lightweight plastic) and you can't go wrong with the X-Trans sensor!

Miyata610

Moderator

I was under the impression that the xa1 and xm1 were the same construction and materials, other than the slightly different colour choices in some regions. Yeah I just googled some images, the only difference I think is that the all black xm1 has fake leather finish and the xa1 has a high tech modern finish. In other colours they look identical. P

Patr

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Miyata610 said: I was under the impression that the xa1 and xm1 were the same construction and materials, other than the slightly different colour choices in some regions. Yeah I just googled some images, the only difference I think is that the all black xm1 has fake leather finish and the xa1 has a high tech modern finish. In other colours they look identical. Click to expand...

You are right. The X-M1 and the X-A1 bodies differ only in the sensor, body colour and the texture of the finish. At least the two on my desk do! The body is exactly the same. Both are built in Thailand, both are built of reinforced plastic and are finished to the same standard. Of the two, I much prefer the all-black X-A1 to my black and silver X-M1 as the body texture pattern is nicer to hold. Both are very well built and fitted with a 27mm lens, are perfect coat pocket cameras. M

MrMandrake

New Member

I've just got an X-M1 to complement my X-E1 and so far it's great. My intention is to use the M as my "family" camera because it's smaller, lighter, and has WiFi for quick sharing (my wife doesn't seem to believe a photo is real until it's on her phone!). The E, with its better build and EVF will be my "me" camera. That said, with the screen being so much better on the M I can forsee using it for macro stuff too.

nigelb001

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YonathanZ said: The X-A1 doesn't have an X-Trans sensor, so I'd skip it. Click to expand...

Are you saying this is due to inferior image quality. Have you substantiated this or is it a complete assumption on your part. I have both the X-A1 and the X-E2. The images from both cameras are only marginally different, note that I said different not inferior, just subtle differences. There is no way I can say one is inferior to the other. I can happily exchange cameras and still produce images I am very pleased with and cannot consistently identify which camera has taken which image without looking at the exif data.

Activatedfx

Well-Known Member

+1. I was thinking the same thing! The X-A1 images are right on par with my X-E2... in some ways even better. (See my post a few posts up in this thread) P

Patr

Well-Known Member

+2. I bought an X-A1 with the kit lens in Jessops for £230, received the free 50-230mm and sold both lenses to fund a 14mm and a 60mm in the latest lens promotion. The X-A1 body was not worth very much in part exchange so I kept it and have been staggered at just how good it is. Put a 27mm or a 35mm on and frankly I have to really look to see any great difference between my X-T1, X-Pro1 or X-E1. Foliage is much better using the X-A1. With the 27mm on it is the perfect little carry-around. Its a cracking little camera. Bang for buck (or pound) it is, (in my opinion), the best value in the Fuji X range.

leoda1945

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The fact that the X-A1 does not use an x-trans sensor is not necessarily a liability. The look and feel of the original X100 has a lot of loyal fans (I'm one of them). I may get the X-A1, but not the X-M1 (I have the X100 and the X-E1). Y

YonathanZ

New Member

nigelb001 said: Are you saying this is due to inferior image quality. Have you substantiated this or is it a complete assumption on your part. I have both the X-A1 and the X-E2. The images from both cameras are only marginally different, note that I said different not inferior, just subtle differences. There is no way I can say one is inferior to the other. I can happily exchange cameras and still produce images I am very pleased with and cannot consistently identify which camera has taken which image without looking at the exif data. Click to expand...

I remember watching a YouTube video comparing the sensors and really preferred the colors of the X-Trans sensor camera. I believe the dynamic range was better as well.

nigelb001

Well-Known Member

YonathanZ said: I remember watching a YouTube video comparing the sensors and really preferred the colors of the X-Trans sensor camera. I believe the dynamic range was better as well. Click to expand...

Aah I see. Personally I prefer to assess the quality of my results from the exhibition quality A3+ prints I produce rather than rely on YouTube videos or low rez internet piccies. It's first hand experience not dodgy heresay evidence.

Ed Dumas

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Thread starter Lot of interesting comparisons to M1 vs A1...Unfortunately I had to skip a great deal on a M1 new in box for $200! Am going thru my car getting rear ended 2 weeks ago and Total loss! so TOP priority is Finding a new car. At Least my Camera was not in the car :roadrage:

leoda1945

Well-Known Member

Well .... no joke .... I just dropped $199 on a 9+ grade black X-A1 body only at B&H. I am going to blame you guys here for making me do this

Rustiebin

Active Member

YonathanZ said: I remember watching a YouTube video comparing the sensors and really preferred the colors of the X-Trans sensor camera. I believe the dynamic range was better as well. Click to expand...

That would be a huge mistake to use that Youtube video as a basis to discount the A1. I have both the E2 and A1, images are subtly different but the A1 is not inferior. For astrophotography i prefer the standard CMOS in the A1 over the X-Trans. I also find the A1 body lends itself perfectly to that role as well. Overall the A1 is used far more than the E2. I miss an EVF but for landscapes, astro and general wandering around the flip screen A1 is more useful. What i do realise now is i really should have saved for an X-T1.

leoda1945

Well-Known Member

Aside from the XA1 vs XM1 issue .... using Youtube videos to judge image characteristics is not anything like a good idea. When you REALLY need to compare camera output, the only way to do it right is to make prints (at least 8X10's) and stare at them endlessly.

seaclifr

Member

Just listed a mint, boxed XM-1 if you're still looking for one..... Phil

winfuman

Well-Known Member

I have both the X-E2 and the X-M1. For most common situations using the same lens my results are indistinguishable. The only thing I sorely miss on the M1 is the viewfinder - it is very difficult to see anything in the back panel no matter what angle it is turned. I have a Hoodman but carrying this around defeats the purpose, for me, of having a small camera. As noted above, this camera with the pancake lens is a great combo. Buy it if it's at a good price!

kevinluc

New Member

I have the X-M1 and the X-T1. The X-T1 is my workhorse camera while the X-M1 is the "going out" camera. Very pocketable and when I'm shooting this way, I don't even miss the EVF.

royuk

ex-pro, now a happy amateur

kevinluc said: I have the X-M1 and the X-T1. The X-T1 is my workhorse camera while the X-M1 is the "going out" camera. Very pocketable and when I'm shooting this way, I don't even miss the EVF. Click to expand...

+1 - and when I'm walking in the hills, I certainly appreciate the light weight of the XM-1 with its surprisingly fine XC16-50 lens Post reply Insert quotes… Share: Facebook Twitter Email Share Link

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