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Dubs The Duke
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by Dubs The Duke So, as far as I am aware, NTR is essentially a trope where you have a character who has a love interest (Usually the protagonist), and another character (Usually the antagonist) who steals said love interest from the character. This usually leads to a scenario of some sort of revenge plot. Now, I have noticed a lot of people who absolutely despise this trope within stories- to the point where people will completely ignore a story if it contains even a hint of NTR. My question is, why? I can understand hating the antagonist character, but in my opinion the more you hate a villain, the more satisfying it is when they are finally defeated. So? What is your opinion on NTR and why? My Dark Fantasy Villain/Villainesse Isekai LitRPG Series: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/30486/undetermined My Dark Urban Fantasy/Scifi Zombie Apocalypse Series: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/44684/number-7
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by David Musk Hmm, I'm not familiar with this at all. The first thing I imagined was a Mario/Bowser/Princess Peach scenario. But after looking it up on TV Tropes, I guess the word "steal" is less literal. If the protagonist's love interest is cheating on him and he's getting revenge, doesn't that make
all the characters unlikeable? I mean the love interest and antagonist are doing the cheating, which is obviously bad. But I wouldn't exactly root for a protagonist who's focused on getting revenge. Seems like the best thing to do in that situation is move on.
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by ArDeeBurger I believe that using Sex as a Weapon is just as silly as using a pistol to diddle yourself. In my personal opinion, that is. I mean, if you wanna stick a Glock in your %$# who am I to judge? But Sex as a Weapon is still silly. 😁  DOTS | LIBERALITY - You don't wield righteousness as a weapon. You offer it as salvation. HUMILITY - Hank-sama wa boku no ōji. Meshitsukaida yo. Let me serve you, my prince. KINDNESS - This sword doesn't kill its enemies. It compels them to obey. ABSTINENCE - Death will strangle us one day. The last thing we'll do is stop breathing. CHASTITY - It's a name of ancient origin. One of only a chosen few. PATIENCE - Am I all that bad? Am I really that ugly? DILIGENCE - You'd better look at this because it's the last thing you'll see. |  DOTS |
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by Stratothrax The revenge stuff isn't part of ntr afaik, ntr is more emotions/love damage + cuckolding. Unpopular opinion but I've been fairly convinced that the reason a subsection of people utterly despise it is it triggers thoughts of their own experiences and their own insecurities with their personal relationships, it hits too close to home. People don't want 'feel bad' chemicals flooding their brain so they avoid things that might trigger that, and become especially angry when they come across it unexpectedly. DREADWOLF
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by D.N. Newyn It feels morally wrong to me personally. I don't like to think about cheating on my partner, and I'd like her cheating on me even less.
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Fin
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by Fin In general NTR is used poorly, and is often cringe. My favorite example of NTR used correctly would be Jojo part one, when Dio kissed Erina, it perfectly showed Dio's personality and motives. To isolate Jonathon so his greatest resistant will loose motivation, not him wanting Jonathon's girl, or taking away a possession of Jonathon. That would be a perfect example of NTR, but the women of NTR are often A. *******s that are so unlikable I am happy at the mc "loss", B. they are possessions that can be passed on, or C. just straight up rape. It is over used, and I view NTR tag much the same as I would the Cultivator tag.
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by TheHex Can't say much about NTR in general, but in some other platforms— where i publish some adult stuff—
A LOT of people ask for general cuckolding and cuckqueaning, so i wouldn't go as far as saying that people hate it. ( Not sure if it matters, but i generally publish adult stuff in portuguese, and aimed towards a female audience. )
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by Cinn Dubs The Duke Wrote: So, as far as I am aware, NTR is essentially a trope where you have a character who has a love interest (Usually the protagonist), and another character (Usually the antagonist) who steals said love interest from the character. This usually leads to a scenario of some sort of revenge plot.
I've never come across NTR specifically before but in and of itself it's not a bad plot line. It gives the writer a lot of different angles to explore. It could be an interesting thing to read if it's done well. However, having been around the internet, I've also seen things like this done badly too many times to make me instantly wary of how a writer would approach this. Too many times lazy or bad writers include rape (to keep the woman blameless, or as a revenge weapon, and treats it as if it's no big deal with no lasting repercussions) or end up normalising unhealthy relationships or revenge scenarios the same way romcoms normalise stalking. Now I'm not saying those things can't be done, I just think if you're going to do something like that you should be careful doing it and, if possible, do it in a way that doesn't glorify the bad ****.
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by OrionTello Cheating is inherently a betrayal of trust. Handled well, it's a pile of relationship drama that would challenge even an expert romance writer. Like any betrayal it has to be followed by a re-examination of everything that was trusted in light of that betrayal. Done correctly, an author can present a relationship, and then use cheating as a scalpel to slice open the darkness inside that relationship, and show how it was ignored and allowed to fester until it grew into a blight. As a genre tool it is a trope of romance, horror, mystery, and suspense. It forces a character into a fundamental re-examination of themselves - either how did I ignore the truth, or how did I betray someone who trusted me? It can slice down to the core. In a cheating, the important part is the sundering of trust. Now you'll note I haven't yet mentioned who they cheated with. This can play a part, but it's secondary to the betrayal. Sometimes it can add another, lesser betrayal atop the first. Sometimes it just adds a layer of disgust. Sometimes their identity is irrelevant - it's the breach of trust that matters. As you note, NTR stories misunderstand this. The woman is a prize, the villain stole the protagonist's prize, the protagonist has to go prove that the villain was bad for stealing the prize. At best it's bad writing and sexist, at worst it can be entirely dehumanizing to an absurd degree. I'm fine with cheating as a trope, but you've got to build the relationship and the betrayal. I think it honestly works best in works of horror - the fundamental re-examination and questioning of the self forced by cheating, and the destruction of what you believed in can mirror the world crashing down around you as you're drawn into some horrific happening. It can also serve as a heartwarming basis for a 'mending broken heart' romance, or a catalyst for character growth. For Progression Fantasy? Oh come on. Just say that the villain stole the protagonist's favorite Yu-Gi-Oh card. The woman in an NTR story rarely has more agency than a Blue Eyes White Dragon card.
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Ramingo Ramos
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by Ramingo Ramos What you are describing is cheating in general. Netorare is a very specific subset of cheating and if you knew what it meant, chances are you would dislike it just as much as other people do.
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OrionTello
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by OrionTello Ramingo Ramos Wrote: What you are describing is cheating in general. Netorare is a very specific subset of cheating and if you knew what it meant, chances are you would dislike it just as much as other people do.
Probably. I've read one thing with the tag, and what I could tell it was really incredibly badly written cheating. I admit it didn't inspire me to seek out more.
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by Lime_Lover does harem count as cheating? Now that I'm thinking about it, what exactly is cheating. I think a lot of people have their own definition. There's definitely an actual definition, but a lot of people seem to view it quite differently, or loosely. Also, a film noir kinda thingy might make for an interesting thing. NTR still counts with a female protagonist, right? If not, I guess it's not ntr, but it still sounds interesting to make a black and white detective movie feeling in book form. I might give it a go, but I don't know the lingo. I'd have to look up a lot of stuff from that era that may be hard to find. Especially if I want to introduce organized crime and mob bosses...oooooo. I wanna write that so so badly. 1940-1950 Hollywood crime movies in book form, but with a modern spin that wraps around to being perfectly classic just sounds....Awesome.
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by ml-larson I had to look up what these letters actually mean and get a more in-depth definition. For one, adultery is an uncomfortable, if not triggering topic for a lot of people. Seeing adultery, cheating, infidelity, etc as a core part of the plot will automatically put people right off. Many people have been the victim of this, and will avoid the hell out of it. It seems like it also focuses on a downer ending. People need to either be in the mood for that, or need to be kinking hard on the adultery aspect. This seems like classic kink tomato (YKINMKATO). Your kink is not my kink, and that’s okay. Omegaverse gets a lot of hate on the whole, but the people who like it tend to REALLY like it. This is pretty much par for the course for any kink though.
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Irja
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Re: Why do people hate NTR?
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by Irja Because in NTR trope, antag usually win. Also, ntr is stealing. So, love interest got stolen. Quite different than got win over. In pure cheating, theres implied consequence if the infidelity is discovered. Usually break up or divorce. In ntr tags, even with cheating involved, theres lack of implied consequence. That is to say, when discovered, the husband/bf usually become depressed or jack off n become a cuck. No action is taken against antag. In cheating, the girl is trying to find other guys to ****. Example, one night stand...or gigolo. In ntr, the girl is put in a situation, usually blackmail or rape, where a guy fukk her and she succumb to the guy. Moreover, in ntr, theres usually some sentences about self-worthless-ness of the bf/hb. In cheating, the ML(male lead) is seldom depicted as a small guy. FL (female lead) just like fukkin other guys or having 3some. In ntr, ML is usually depicted as small n powerless. Lets take spiderman mary jane trope. In cheating, antag would scamper off if spidey is back home. In ntr, spidey would just keep watching antag fukkin mary jane. Then MJ or antag would say something like MJ prefer fukkin real man n spidey can just enjoy jacking off. In conclusion, cheating usually is just promiscuous women fukkin other guys. Ntr is usually where nice FL is turned into a hoe through dumb blackmail n ML is an idiotic weak small oblivious guy. And it thrive at ML depression. Thus, the hate for ntr trope, especially in games, manga or anime. It turned the strong FL, say, Tifa (who could pummel a dino to death) into a dumb horny hoe by a nobodies as long as he got giant dikk. It turn Cloud, the guy who save the world, into emotionally vulnerable cuck. It destroy the characters that fans fall in love with. Thats why the hate toward ntr exist.
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by T.K.R. Dubs The Duke Wrote: ... So? What is your opinion on NTR and why?
I just don't like cheating in any form, especially with the dating scene so messed up nowadays. It also goes against man's primary evolutionarily purpose of paternity.
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