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C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette Sponsored by: Community Links Pictures & Albums Members List Search Forums Show Threads Show Posts Tag Search Click for Advanced Search Find All Liked Posts Go to Page... 200R4 vs. 700R4 Reply Subscribe Thread Tools Search this Thread 03-31-2003 | 11:45 PM #1 79VetteMike Thread Starter Melting Slicks Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,804 Likes: 1 From: OKC Oklahoma 200R4 vs. 700R4 I originally was going to put a 700R4 into my '79. Recently, I have been concidering a 200R4. I know that the 200R4 is a virtual "bolt-in". As far as I can tell, the typical 700R4 is stronger from the factory than the typical 200R4. To beef up the 200R4, you need to drop alot of money. Is the 700R4 going to be stonger in stock form than most 200R4's without alot of aftermarket parts? If it is only a shorter drive shaft and different trans mount, is it reasonable to say that the 700R4 is a better value? Reply Like 79VetteMike View Public Profile Send a private message to 79VetteMike Find More Posts by 79VetteMike 03-31-2003 | 11:48 PM #2 Crickett Racer Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 288 Likes: 0 From: Roanoke VA Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (79VetteMike) I'm tryin to decide the same thing. Reply Like Crickett View Public Profile Send a private message to Crickett Find More Posts by Crickett 03-31-2003 | 11:51 PM #3 AlwaysWave Le Mans Master Joined: Feb 1999 Posts: 6,807 Likes: 0 From: Hoosier Cruise-In III Veteran Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (79VetteMike) That's on my list too. I've done a lot of studying and contacted some of the aftermarket trans suppliers. I'm convinced the 200R is the best bet. Reply Like AlwaysWave View Public Profile Send a private message to AlwaysWave Visit AlwaysWave's homepage! Find More Posts by AlwaysWave 03-31-2003 | 11:56 PM #4 Crickett Racer Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 288 Likes: 0 From: Roanoke VA Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (biltogo) Quote: That's on my list too. I've done a lot of studying and contacted some of the aftermarket trans suppliers. I'm convinced the 200R is the best bet. The 200R also more closely matched to the 350's gear ratio than the 700R. (except for the OD of course) :p: [Modified by Crickett, 10:57 PM 3/31/2003] Reply Like Crickett View Public Profile Send a private message to Crickett Find More Posts by Crickett 04-01-2003 | 09:39 AM #5 Ganey Race Director Joined: Apr 1999 Posts: 11,520 Likes: 12 From: CORVETTE 77 385 C.I. TEXAS Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (79VetteMike) The 200R4 has better gear spacing than the 700R4 & was used in the GN & MC SS. TH7004R or TH2004R? http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zero...288021#5288021 Reply Like Ganey View Public Profile Send a private message to Ganey Visit Ganey's homepage! Find More Posts by Ganey 04-01-2003 | 09:58 AM #6 page62 Le Mans Master Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,456 Likes: 2 From: Coming home from Luckenbach Texas Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (79VetteMike) I've gotta disagree with the basic premise. The 700R4 in stock form has certain shortcomings that must be addressed, such as weak 3-4 clutch packs. Bowtie Overdrives sells 700s and 200s at identical prices. The choice is left up to you. I don't recommend a "junkyard swap" of either of these trannies. Spend the money and do it right up front. Otherwise you'll be yanking it out and rebuilding it in 6 months :yesnod: BTW: The decision criteria that BTO suggests is that cars with low rear gear ratios (3.08 and below) should go with the 700 because of its "granny gear." Those with 3.55 and higher should go with the 200 due to it's closer 1-2 gear spacing and slightly taller overdrive. Reply Like page62 View Public Profile Send a private message to page62 Find More Posts by page62 04-01-2003 | 10:52 AM #7 dman535 Burning Brakes Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,211 Likes: 5 From: Nashville TN Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (page62) A little detail to think about. The 200r4 does not have a removable tail shaft. Playing speedo calibration games can require the removal of the trans pan. Reply Like dman535 View Public Profile Send a private message to dman535 Visit dman535's homepage! Find More Posts by dman535 04-01-2003 | 01:56 PM #8 mrvette Team Owner Joined: Jul 1999 Posts: 65,390 Likes: 226 From: Orange Park Florida Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (79VetteMike) Well first off, I have NO experience with a 200 tranny...only the 700, and frankly, in my '87 vette with 65k miles on it and maybe allready a new tranny in it....I bought it used, the fluids were turning allready....with cooler in lines.... now since the 700 I put in my '72 here 5 years ago only lasted 4 years, true it was HP driving all the way...mainly on the top end...but that 3/4 clutch pak failed right enough a year ago...far as I"m concerned that is the weakest thing about the 700, IF you can cure that fault.....it should be relatively ok...NOW having said that....the BAND on the 2/4 upshift was failing also in my tranny....the attachment points in the 'stake' end as well as the actuating PIN end of the band were both ripped and distorted....so failure there was immenant....SO if you can find reasonable solid cures for those failures... should be home free.... I find the shift kit in my tranny is from Superior/Fairbanks....and is the recommended kit...BUT, I"m severely disappointed in it..... next time around I hope to go with a 200 tranny that has NO inherent clutch failures apparently, and a Trans Go shift kit, as TG was allways fine for my 400/350 cars over the decades... GENE Reply Like mrvette View Public Profile Send a private message to mrvette Visit mrvette's homepage! Find More Posts by mrvette 04-01-2003 | 02:16 PM #9 John Dirks Instructor Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 242 Likes: 0 From: Stony Plain AB. Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (mrvette) Do it right the first time and go with Art Carr or Bow Tie Overdrive. The guys at Art Carr have been great to deal with and are very knowledgable. E-mail them and they will answer all your questions. Reply Like John Dirks View Public Profile Send a private message to John Dirks Find More Posts by John Dirks 04-01-2003 | 07:59 PM #10 Jvette73 Safety Car Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,004 Likes: 1 From: Severna Park Md Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (79VetteMike) I did alot of research between the two before deciding on the 200. The more direct bolt in as well as the closer ratio 1st 2nd shift is what sold me on it. If you get a 200 built by someone who has expierence with beefing them they're as strong as the 700. You dont nessisarily need to dump a crapload of money into them unless yur gonna be making serious power and tq like 500ft lbs plus. Then you get into billit internals and they can be expensive. The turbo buick guys have brought this trans a long way. An up to date quality rebuilt 200, without all the billit parts, would be good for any moderately warmed 350 engine. Im having a problem with my 200 right now. I think it has some debris causing the TV valve to hang up and cause a intermitant upshift problem. This is a problem that is common to both the 200 and 700. So knowing this now, I would still opt for the 200. Its a great tranny and im satisfied with it. Reply Like Jvette73 View Public Profile Send a private message to Jvette73 Visit Jvette73's homepage! Find More Posts by Jvette73 04-01-2003 | 09:29 PM #11 redwingvette Safety Car Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,617 Likes: 168 From: Waterford Mi Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (Jvette73) I am in the middle of installing the BTO 200R4. So far everything has worked out good. As far as the speedo calibration, BTO said it is setup for me with the right gears. $1700 delivered. Reply Like redwingvette View Public Profile Send a private message to redwingvette Find More Posts by redwingvette 04-02-2003 | 10:15 AM #12 J75 Racer Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 272 Likes: 0 From: MOBILE ALA Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (79VetteMike) The 200 -4r is an eaiser swap.It does not take much to bring one up to GN specs.Quality frictions,10 vane pump rotor,GN servo,and shift kit is all most people need.A hd input shaft can be installed if you feel the need.I ordered the lines,shifter conversion,switches,yoke and speedo gears from BTO.Built the trans myself,total coast just under $1000. Reply Like J75 View Public Profile Send a private message to J75 Find More Posts by J75 04-02-2003 | 06:33 PM #13 Jvette73 Safety Car Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,004 Likes: 1 From: Severna Park Md Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (79VetteMike) I solved the problem with my 200. I explained in another post. Heres the link http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=527772 Reply Like Jvette73 View Public Profile Send a private message to Jvette73 Visit Jvette73's homepage! Find More Posts by Jvette73 04-02-2003 | 11:36 PM #14 joe73vette Melting Slicks Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 2,198 Likes: 2 From: Eastern Connecticut Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (Jvette73) Those of you that bought from BTO, did you get the level 1 or level 2? How is it holding up? Jvette73, who is PTS? Do they sell complete trannys? Seems like a waste to buy a performance tranny plus a shift kit. THanks, Joe Reply Like joe73vette View Public Profile Send a private message to joe73vette Visit joe73vette's homepage! Find More Posts by joe73vette 04-02-2003 | 11:57 PM #15 Jvette73 Safety Car Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,004 Likes: 1 From: Severna Park Md Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (joe73vette) Heres the link for PTS, Performance Transmission Service. Bruce is the owner and he is also a moderator on the http://www.turbobuick.com site in the transmission talk area. He's one of the top in the country with the 2004r CLICK HERE FOR PTS>>> http://www.2004rperformancecenter.com/ Theyve been modding these trannys for a good while to go behind the turbo buick cars like the GN and T-Type. When I got my 200 from BTO, I was one of the first to request a 200 from them. At that time they didnt offer a level choice. [Modified by Jvette73, 9:59 PM 4/2/2003] Reply Like Jvette73 View Public Profile Send a private message to Jvette73 Visit Jvette73's homepage! Find More Posts by Jvette73 04-03-2003 | 12:01 AM #16 Jvette73 Safety Car Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,004 Likes: 1 From: Severna Park Md Re: 200R4 vs. 700R4 (79VetteMike) oops I messed that one up heres PTS>>http://www.2004rperformancecenter.com/ Reply Like

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