 02-10-2006, 02:37 PM | #1 |
MDC Registered User  Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: N Texas Posts: 727 | 200r4 vs 700r4 What are the pros and cons of each? __________________ 67 C10 Shortbed 327 05 F150 4x4 NO APPOLOGIES 's 02 Xpress X19 02 Yamaha VMax 150 www.xpressboats.com Nothing says 'poor craftmanship' like wrinkles in your duct tape |
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| 02-10-2006, 03:07 PM | #2 |
| Sonny's at Work Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Centerville, GA Posts: 16 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Mainly price if it is a daily driver. Big HP go with the 700R4. Go with the 2004R if you don't plan to put a bunch of ponies behind it. I also heard that the ratios in the 2004R work great with a 3.73 rear end. I have the 700R4 and I love it. My only complaint is anything more than half-throttle at speed will make it downshift. Easy fix tho. Sonny |
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| 02-10-2006, 03:37 PM | #3 |
cdowns Senior Member  Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 2004r fits right in place of a th350 no driveshaft mods// spend the same money on a built 200or 700 the 200 is by far the stronger of the 2 that's why they put them in the turbo buick grand nationals in the 80's// and yes the gearing is better in a 2004R __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY |
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| 02-10-2006, 04:38 PM | #4 |
CoolRide Registered User  Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Spokane Washington Posts: 85 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 I had a 700r behind a built 400 sb and it was great. Smoke the tires till I decided to lift, and fairly good mpg cause of the fourth gear I was at like 1200 rpm at 60 on leval highway. I found a recipt (sp) in the glove box for nearly $1300 worth of trans work from previous owner though... |
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| 02-10-2006, 04:42 PM | #5 |
| 70 Bowtie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 70 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 I'm not trying to hijack, but what vehicles do you find 2004r in? Thanks Brett |
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| 02-10-2006, 05:36 PM | #6 |
farside847 Registered User  Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 995 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Quote: | Originally Posted by 70 Bowtie I'm not trying to hijack, but what vehicles do you find 2004r in? Thanks Brett | Oh, Id love that info too..... __________________ 1971 Chevy C10 Shortbed Stepside, 307v8 3-on-the-tree |
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| 02-10-2006, 06:05 PM | #7 |
| formula_raider Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Marcos, Tx Posts: 62 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 I have a 700 in my truck but if something ever happened to it I would go with a 200 just because of the gear ratio. TH350 200 700 2.52 2.78 3.06 1st 1.52 1.57 1.63 2nd 1.00 1.00 1.00 3rd .67 .70 4th The 700 has such a low 1st gear that there is a noticable bog between 1st and 2nd gear compared to a 200. As you can see the 200 is a close match to the TH350 minus the overdrive. 700 has a little more overdrive to it however. Most good transmission shops can make the 200 reliable to 450HP for the same price as the 700. |
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| 02-10-2006, 06:18 PM | #8 |
pound41 Registered User  Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,268 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 200R will be found in V8 Montes maybe 6cyl. not sure. Buick grand Nationals probably caprice/impalas. I have a 85 Monte Carlo SS that was once a VA State Police Car. Got it in 87. 200R and 373 rear. When you take and get on it from 1st to 2nd. the tires chirp and the rear rocks side ways. Very good on the high end as well. 55/60 at 2 grand with plenty of power. Don't know if any modes were done to that tranny. But it reminds me of my turbo 400 that was built on the low end shifting. |
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| 02-10-2006, 06:41 PM | #9 |
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches  Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Check out Art Car's web site, he does nothing but 200 4R trannys. Another pro on the 200 4R, which only matters to a hand full of us...90% of them have the BOP bellhousing bolt pattern in addition to the odd ball chevy pattern. |
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| 02-10-2006, 07:44 PM | #10 |
Boog laying low  Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 13,474 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 I rarely hear anyone talk of the 200's. I surely never heard they were stronger than the 700's. 700's are more widely used than the 200's were? I can see an advantage with the 700's lower first gear ratio for getting a heavy vehicle like a truck moving but I don't particularly like the amount of rpm drop from 1st to 2nd. I would think 1st and 2nd should be closer together with the bigger rpm drop going from 2nd to 3rd since the vehicle is by this time moving pretty good. Obviously I did not design em... __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross |
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| 02-10-2006, 08:13 PM | #11 |
jbon64 Registered User  Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: sidney , illinois Posts: 312 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 a few things to keep in mind , the 200 is the same length as a short shaft th350 , the 700r4 is same as a long tail th350 ....or so i hear /read __________________ hey.....smell my finger 64 nova wagon , 63 nova convertible |
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| 02-10-2006, 09:18 PM | #12 |
DTerry '70 GMC C-25 LWB  Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Binghamton, N.Y. Posts: 273 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Quote: | Originally Posted by Boog I rarely hear anyone talk of the 200's. I surely never heard they were stronger than the 700's..... | Yeah me too. Learnin' here, subscribed. The 200 sounds like a decent option under certain conditions. Gotta look into making them tough. And to think I just gave one away.[headbang] (D) __________________ 1970 GMC C-25 LWB (middle of frame up) 5-7 drop with 3in drop spindles, flip kit with blocks and still keeping the 3/4 ton. Shaved drip rails and marker lights, rear roll pan, cowl induction hood. 1987 Camaro z28 350, vortec 305 heads. 10:1 comp, t5 trans. Street terrrorizer. 1988 Monte Carlo (Super Stock ashpalt race car) My Truck |
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| 02-10-2006, 10:34 PM | #13 |
jostrans68 Jostrans68  Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Bloomington indiana Posts: 1,182 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 200 can be built to tow and all also I have one May sell as project going another way here are some sites http://www.transmissioncenter.net/200-4R.htm http://www.200raptor.com/ just a few Jack __________________  [CGTW Member former 67-72 now with a 96 silverado Last edited by jostrans68; 02-10-2006 at 10:35 PM. |
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| 02-10-2006, 10:35 PM | #14 |
incoma Registered User  Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 865 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 I am getting a 200 4R installed in my truck this week. I got screwed when I bought it and needed it rebuilt - but that's for another thread. It will bolt right in place of a 350 with NO MODS. That's nice if everything else is strong and ready to go. You will need to wire the lockup - just like a 700, and the tv-cable will need proper adjusting - just like a 700. I'm questioning the decision, as I eventually want to put a 5.3/4L60E in my truck or TPI as an intermediate upgrade. I'm not sure how to install a VSS in the tranny. Another odd bit of info about the 200. The case is solid from the front bellhousing mount to the tailshaft - unlike the other trannies which have a removable tailshaft. So, when you buy one, make sure you're putting in the correct speedometer drive gear on the shaft, because if you don't, the entire guts of the transmission have to come out to put it on. I had a 12 tooth gear installed on my transmission. With 27" tires, 28" tires, and 29" tires I have 3 different driven gears I can install to calibrate my speedomter. Lots of math, and planning on this install. To answer an earlier question - the 200 4R transmission came on many Pontiacs, Olds, and Buick cars of the mid to late 80's. Hopefully next week, I'll be able to tell you how it handles. |
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| 02-10-2006, 11:46 PM | #15 |
| Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Quote: | Originally Posted by incoma ...It will bolt right in place of a 350 with NO MODS.. | That may be a little misleading... If your truck is equipped with a TH350 SHORT SHAFT tranny, then the overall length is close enough to not have to modify the driveshaft. (there is like 1/4 differance) Also, the transmiossion crossmember will need to be moved to the TH400 location, holes are already drilled. Again, within something like 1/4 inch, but close enough. Quote: | Originally Posted by incoma ...the 200 4R transmission came on many Pontiacs, Olds, and Buick cars of the mid to late 80's... | While true, they are not all created the same. You'll need to look at your flexplate for your aplication. Some have raised points to bolt the converter to, others are flat. The Chevy ones are flat. You'll want the donor car to have the same set up. In the case of getting a tranny from a car with raised pads on the flex plate, what can be overcome with washers, but that lengthens the converter bolts, and causes a weak point. However, if you have an odd ball engine, and have the raised pads on the flex plate, you DON'T want the donor car to be that with a flat flexplate, the converter may not be pulled out far enough when bolted down, and pump damage may result. The TV cable issue is just like you always read on the 700 4R, very picky, and MUST be set right or a rather expensive paper weight will result in short order. |
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| 02-11-2006, 02:12 AM | #16 |
| 70 Bowtie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 70 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 You guy's rock Brett |
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| 02-11-2006, 02:46 AM | #17 |
5150 C10 Club Tennessee  Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: White House, TN 37188 Posts: 8,281 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Hey Andy, Do you have any idea which ones had the flat flexplate or raised ones? I might decide to go witht he 2004r instead of the 700. Might make a trip down to the Pull-a-part in Nashville. Just don't want to buy it and it be a paper weight in my garage __________________ Bryan www.gmtruckshow.com Project "Andes"-Halen's First Truck Project: Patina Burb for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Romans 13:4 |
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| 02-11-2006, 03:26 AM | #18 |
ABHaulR Registered User  Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West Valley City, Ut Posts: 311 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 the 2004r uses metric converter bolts. i have one in my 72 sub. it turns my 40" boggers with no problem behind a sbc. soon to be a bbc. same trans with the same divorced t/c. Dwayne __________________ 72' GMC Suburban 10 1/2" of Lift, 40" Tires! Waiting for restoration  67' Chevy, What to do??? And Bad Ass American Bulldogs! |
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| 02-11-2006, 06:13 AM | #19 |
| Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 I can't remember, sorry. However, certianly if it is bolted to a SBC, it'll have the flat flexplate. |
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| 02-11-2006, 12:51 PM | #20 |
| ABHaulR Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West Valley City, Ut Posts: 311 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 no its got the steps in the bolt holes Dwayne __________________ 72' GMC Suburban 10 1/2" of Lift, 40" Tires! Waiting for restoration 67' Chevy, What to do??? And Bad Ass American Bulldogs! |
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| 02-12-2006, 04:00 AM | #21 |
| Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Hmmmm, haven't even seen a old school small block flywheel in over a year,... I was thinking they were flat. |
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| 02-12-2006, 08:56 AM | #22 |
vtblazer Registered User  Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Vermont Posts: 8,538 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Funny how just when your wondering something...there's a thead about it! I'm definetly going to research this, having an overdrive is the goal for this year. I have a 700r sitting in my garage but like the idea of the 200r better so far. |
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| 02-12-2006, 09:17 AM | #23 |
72MARIO Registered User  Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Huntsville Ontario Canada Posts: 4,052 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 If your getting a shift kit in you 700R make sure they upgrade the necessary parts so that the extra stress is passed on to parts that can handle it. Two of which are the Imput Sprag and the Sunshell. Or mabye consider a scatter shield. Dont think the money spent on a 700r will EVER pay it's self back in my position. The motor is a 355 with stock heads a RPM intake and a 67 327/350 HP cam. Not no 600hp BB. Attached Images   __________________ 1968 Suburban numbers matching all original truck now equipped with 6.0/4L80 on Accuair http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=625017 1967 C/20 6.0/4L80 Roofing Truck 1990 V2500 Suburban "Plow Truck" 2005 TAHOE DD Last edited by 72MARIO; 02-12-2006 at 09:19 AM. |
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| 02-12-2006, 09:35 AM | #24 |
| Boog laying low Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Searcy, Ark. USA Posts: 13,474 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Dang man! That one sure failed the stress test! I don't know that I've ever seen an automatic blown up so bad. Did you have the firmness setting on KILL? LOL. __________________ Boog 69 Chevy stepside, 358/T350, 4.11 posi, 4.5/4 drop, rallys, poboy driver primer is finer 91 Chevy sportside, Tahoe, Yukon & GMC Crewcab All GM..'nuff said. I stand for the flag and kneel at the cross |
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| 02-12-2006, 09:45 AM | #25 |
| 72MARIO Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Huntsville Ontario Canada Posts: 4,052 | Re: 200r4 vs 700r4 Trans Go kit Stage 2 nothing really over kill..... __________________ 1968 Suburban numbers matching all original truck now equipped with 6.0/4L80 on Accuair http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=625017 1967 C/20 6.0/4L80 Roofing Truck 1990 V2500 Suburban "Plow Truck" 2005 TAHOE DD |
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