david62 New Member    Posts: 49 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 8, 2015 8:12:08 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by david62 on Oct 8, 2015 8:12:08 GMT -7 Hi allI am running my Maz 18 head into a Dr Z, 1 x 12 cab with a Celestion Heritage 30 speaker with back open. My issue with the Heritage 30 is I feel that the bass to boomy. I have the bass knob almost all the way off and still the bass is over whelming. I was wondering if anyone has tried a Celestion G12H-75 or G12M-65 Creamback in a 1 x 12 cab or in their combo and what they thought of them. I mostly play blues and classic rock. Thanks all. | |
John Made-Man   Posts: 14,238 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 8, 2015 8:52:48 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by John on Oct 8, 2015 8:52:48 GMT -7 The Celestion "heritage" speaker is a G12H-30....which is going to sound the same as the G12H-75. (same speaker, but the 75 has a higher power rating.) You'll get the same boomy bass.Both these speakers have large 50oz magnets. (which is big for guitar speakers) The larger the magnet, the louder/firmer the bass will/can be. You're not alone in feeling the G12H has a lot of bass. I personally don't like the speaker. It also has recessed mids and crispy highs. The Creamback M will sound different. Less bass, more mids. I love this speaker. You could save yourself some money and go with a regular greenback. (of which the creamback M is based) Or any of the greenback clones. I personally like the WGS Green Beret. Great greenback tones, and it's cheap....much cheaper than a new greenback. And the greenback is perfect for blues and classic rock. (The greenback is what most of those vintage Marshalls played through during the classic rock days)wgs4.com/gb | | "Every note sounds like you're rattling a bunch of tin cans and old chicken bones around inside a plastic paint bucket."...Flealux I'm not playing the gig for the money....but don't try to screw me on the money. | |
Mark (Basement Enthusiast) Z-Natic   Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 4,342 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 8, 2015 9:16:21 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Oct 8, 2015 9:16:21 GMT -7 I would agree with John on his speaker suggestions above.However, I find it surprising that the bass could be terribly overwhelming, even when turned nearly off. Yes, the MAZ amps do have a lot of bass, and most of us run the EQ set at about 9:00 (very low), however I wouldn't call it boomy at that setting. I realize this might be the most stupid question of the day, BUT... are you sure that you don't have the foot-switchable EQ-bypass turned on (in other words, the EQ bypassed)? 'Cause if so, then that's where it does start getting kinda boomy. | | Currently own or have owned:M12, Z-Plus, Rx JS, Z Wreck Jr, Carmen Ghia, MAZ 18 Jr NR, Monza, Z-28, Route 66, Therapy, DB4, Remedy, Prescription, EZG-50, SRZ-65 LE, & Delta 88Z-Drive | Brake Lite SA & Air Brake | |
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| John Made-Man Posts: 14,238 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 8, 2015 10:41:47 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by John on Oct 8, 2015 10:41:47 GMT -7 greenbacks are 25 watts. It will handle a Maz Jr.There are "Heritage" greenbacks. They are 20 watts and very expensive. You'll probably want to skip those. (and they're rare anyway) Just get the regular 'reissue' greenback. Weber makes a greenback cloneEminence has a versionI like the WGS myselfAnd then there's the Celestion. And there are always lots of used greenbacks on ebay. | | "Every note sounds like you're rattling a bunch of tin cans and old chicken bones around inside a plastic paint bucket."...Flealux I'm not playing the gig for the money....but don't try to screw me on the money. | |
| Mark (Basement Enthusiast) Z-Natic Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 4,342 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 8, 2015 11:17:01 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Oct 8, 2015 11:17:01 GMT -7 Oct 8, 2015 9:45:05 GMT -7 david62 said:Hi John thanks for your feedback. You mentioned getting a regular Greenback. I thought they were only rated for 20 watts ? Is that enough for an amp rated at 18 watts ? I don't want to blow a speaker. Hey Mark. Thanks for bring that up, but I really don't use the EQ-by pass very much. I haven't had a footswitch plugged in for a while now. OK, well I had to ask. Thanks for not confirming that it was a stupid question.The "heritage" (the more expensive Celestion line) Greenbacks are indeed rated for 20 W, but should still be OK with the MAZ. Keep in mind, Doc will sometimes put a 15 W Blue in there if you want one... now that might be pushing it!The standard-version "G12M Greenback" as well as most clones (and the WGS Green Beret, too) are rated for 25 W. Very safe to run with the MAZ Jr.Edit: Sorry, I started my message, got interrupted, and then got back to it. So, John beat me to the punch on most of it. | | Last Edit: Oct 8, 2015 11:17:48 GMT -7 by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) Currently own or have owned:M12, Z-Plus, Rx JS, Z Wreck Jr, Carmen Ghia, MAZ 18 Jr NR, Monza, Z-28, Route 66, Therapy, DB4, Remedy, Prescription, EZG-50, SRZ-65 LE, & Delta 88Z-Drive | Brake Lite SA & Air Brake | |
| david62 New Member Posts: 49 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 8, 2015 11:30:55 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by david62 on Oct 8, 2015 11:30:55 GMT -7 I want to say thanks to you guys for all of the great info. Hey John I see you are from Metro Detroit to! I should add that to my profile. | |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 11:56:28 GMT -7 My MAZ is equipped with a 20 watt Heritage Greenback. Great speaker. A Creamback would be just as good. | |
greenblues58 Z-Natic  Warwickshire UK Posts: 1,570 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 8, 2015 12:50:27 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by greenblues58 on Oct 8, 2015 12:50:27 GMT -7 Stock greenback in mine too after trying many others. | | Maz 18 NR 1x12 comboMarshall 1974XBlackstar Artisan 15Fender 68 Custom DeluxeGibson Les Paul Silverburst Custom 1979 Bareknuckle PG BluesGibson ES335 Fatneck 2008 Wolfetone Dr VintageCorsa Manalishi 2014Corsa Pure Player P90Squier JV Series 62 Stratocaster 1982Fender CS 56,Relic StratocasterFender American Special Telecaster 2011Fender American Vintage 64 TelecasterLowden S5C 1982Larrivee OM O2Taylor Mini GS | |
Baconator Big Kahuna   Posts: 980 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 10, 2015 7:42:48 GMT -7 via mobile Quote - Select Post
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Post by Baconator on Oct 10, 2015 7:42:48 GMT -7 I'm a little late to the party but since I just was at a rehearsal Thursday with my Maz 18 and open back cab with G12M-65 Creamback I thought I'd add my two cents. There is plenty of bass in that speaker, but it is easily contolled. I found it a hair on the boomy side but that was because I had my cab really near the corner of the room. If I had elevated the cab and or moved it a little more into the room it would have made a big difference. I really like that speaker with the Maz and absolutely love it with my Route 66. It's a much quieter speaker than a blue, gold or v30 and that's a huge bonus for me. | | Eric Sitting by the phone with my guitar and Z's, waiting to rock in Kingston, Ontario Canada. | |
| Deleted Deleted Member Posts: 0 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 11, 2015 4:41:02 GMT -7 via mobile strat59 likes this Quote - Select Post
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 4:41:02 GMT -7 The G12H75 is an excellent and even sounding speaker. It does not sound quite like a G12H. Much less spikey on the top end. Not fair to pigeonhole it if you haven't tried one. I'd say it's as different from a G12H30 as much as the G12M65 is from a G12M. Yes, I've owned all of the above speakers.  | |
strat59 Big Kahuna  Posts: 854 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Oct 11, 2015 6:36:03 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by strat59 on Oct 11, 2015 6:36:03 GMT -7 Oct 11, 2015 4:41:02 GMT -7 @jordanbunte said:The G12H75 is an excellent and even sounding speaker. It does not sound quite like a G12H. Much less spikey on the top end. Not fair to pigeonhole it if you haven't tried one. I'd say it's as different from a G12H30 as much as the G12M65 is from a G12M. Yes, I've owned all of the above speakers. I have a H75 cream back in a open back 1x12. I wasn't really thrilled with it until it was broken in properly. Now it's my go to with my Maz 38 & Remedy when not using my Z-best. I love it now. | | Randy in Virginia | |
gimik Junior Member  Peace, Love & Music Posts: 58 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Dec 30, 2015 15:07:07 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by gimik on Dec 30, 2015 15:07:07 GMT -7 I just installed a Creamback 75 in my Maz 18 combo (reverb model). The result is really nice. It's much warmer than the stock speaker (G12H30) - which sounds dry and harsh to my ears. Thanks to the magical "cut" it was manageable but I really prefer the Creamback - espacially with single coils. For a good G12H30 vs Creamback comparaison, have a look to Jim Burkard's video. | | Max 18 Jr comboAddicted to Telecaster | |
| mikeefromdedhamma New Member Posts: 9 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Jan 17, 2016 17:11:17 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by mikeefromdedhamma on Jan 17, 2016 17:11:17 GMT -7 I put a creamback in my Maz 18 combo and I'm very happy. I believe it has a slightly lower db rating, which I don't think is true for the greenback but I defer to the many experts here. This works for me as I'm able to do away with the brake lite (I run my amp completely clean with set of drive/distortion boxes). I don't have the words to describe but is fuller and more pleasant to the ear. I have a Maz 38 with a Dr z 1X12 cab which I plan a creamback for as well. | |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 17:57:42 GMT -7 I haven't played an amp through my Creamback M that didn't sound great. Maz Jr, Monza, Therapy, Orange AD30, Friedman Pink Taco. It's a toss up between that and the Z 12" as my new favorite speaker. | |
RadioRadio New Member  Posts: 8 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Feb 28, 2016 17:45:46 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by RadioRadio on Feb 28, 2016 17:45:46 GMT -7 I would like to add a second conv cab to my V30 conv cab and Maz 18 NR. Plan is to open the back on the top cab to give a little open sound for clean stuff without sacrificing the low end for the more rocking material. Which speaker do they would best work on top for the open back cab?Thx....Dave | |
j4gitr (John) Z-Natic  Posts: 3,421 | Any one using a Celestion Creamback G12H-75 or G12M-65 Feb 28, 2016 22:09:08 GMT -7 Quote - Select Post
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Post by j4gitr (John) on Feb 28, 2016 22:09:08 GMT -7 I'm mixing a 2x10 convertible with a 1x12 convertible with Creamback. Both are closed back, but they sound delicious together powered by the Antidote. | | Z-PlusMaz-Jr 2x10 (sacrificed for Z-Plus)TherapyAntidote (great amp traded for Therapy to save my hearing; sorely missed)Rte. 66 (gone, but not forgotten)Carmen Ghia | |
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Post by niky3plate on May 16, 2017 8:43:12 GMT -7 Dec 30, 2015 15:07:07 GMT -7 gimik said:I just installed a Creamback 75 in my Maz 18 combo (reverb model). The result is really nice. It's much warmer than the stock speaker (G12H30) - which sounds dry and harsh to my ears. Thanks to the magical "cut" it was manageable but I really prefer the Creamback - espacially with single coils. For a good G12H30 vs Creamback comparaison, have a look to Jim Burkard's video.The demo is with creamback m65... You got the h75 right? Isn't it too much power for the maz 18? | |
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Post by captainron (Ron) on May 21, 2017 14:32:03 GMT -7 Hey David62! I have the M creamback in a 1x12 Dr. Z cab paired with my Maz18 reverb head. I keep the bass nobby like most about 9-10 o'clock.(more like 10). I have tried the Maz with a Gold, Blue, H30, V30 that I have on hand. I like the creamM the best of what I have tried. The only speaker I would want to swap it out for to try would be the Dr. Z 12". IMO the guitar pickups(Humbucker or Single coils) and the amp's cut control can really change the amount of bass response. I play mostly tele's with vintage style pickups.(country music).Hope this helps. | | ~Ron CreechStangray ComboStangray HeadMaz 18Z-PlusCarmen Ghia30th Ann. MazeratiGone but not forgotten: Mini Z, Monza.Yorktown,VA | |
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Post by Rik on May 22, 2017 7:55:39 GMT -7 I have the 65 in mine and it's great but I will say the Z 12 is on my short list of things to buy. I really like it better than 65 | | Maz18, Z Lux, Strat, LP, PCNS Cables, LL Flying Dragon and a few other boxes of different flavors | |
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