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Lzwb
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Joined Dec 6, 2012 Messages 354 Reaction score 198 I bought an avatar 2x12 cab and decided to put v30s in it and I really don't like them, so I'm swapping them out and decided to put in creambacks, I just don't know if I should go with the M65 or the H75. I'm going for a greenback type sound, but I need something with more power. I'll be running this cabinet to a Phaez Sibly EL34 50 watt head Which speaker should I get?
MissoulaGriz
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Joined Sep 15, 2008 Messages 764 Reaction score 636 Here's a pretty good comparison demo of them both: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du5sn1wtZWA I like the crunch from the H75 a little more than the M65. Lot's of folks loading both into 2X12's these days. Do you need to stand out in a mix, in a live situation? If so, the M65's may be a little soft to grab a sonic footprint if you are playing with a second guitarist. I think you'd stand out in the mix more with the H75's. I'm sure there are guys here who will have more technical details about each speaker that will help you out more as well. I've got an 18watt Phaez SIBLY and I'm digging with with my 2X12 and Veteran 30's. Great amps.
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Joined Jun 26, 2011 Messages 1,401 Reaction score 1,129Billy4269 said: I bought an avatar 2x12 cab and decided to put v30s in it and I really don't like them, so I'm swapping them out and decided to put in creambacks, I just don't know if I should go with the M65 or the H75. I'm going for a greenback type sound, but I need something with more power. I'll be running this cabinet to a Phaez Sibly EL34 50 watt head Which speaker should I get? Click to expand...This is the video that gets posted whenever anyone asks which Creamback to get. Listen to it with good headphones or through a decent stereo so you can hear them properly. In full disclosure, based on this video, I bought the H75's and I don't care for them. Popular opinion tends to be to go with the M65, and I think that probably would have been the right decision for me as well. The overall opinion seems to be that the H75 has more presence, and the M65 has more bass response. If I had to do it again, I would go with the M65. Right now, I am happy with my Vintage 30's, so I haven't explored it further. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du5sn1wtZWA[/ame]
Lzwb
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Joined Dec 6, 2012 Messages 354 Reaction score 198jimmer_5 said: This is the video that gets posted whenever anyone asks which Creamback to get. Listen to it with good headphones or through a decent stereo so you can hear them properly. In full disclosure, based on this video, I bought the H75's and I don't care for them. Popular opinion tends to be to go with the M65, and I think that probably would have been the right decision for me as well. The overall opinion seems to be that the H75 has more presence, and the M65 has more bass response. If I had to do it again, I would go with the M65. Right now, I am happy with my Vintage 30's, so I haven't explored it further. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du5sn1wtZWA Click to expand...Based off of that video, I prefer the H75, but people always say the M65s are better, and based off of peoples descriptions, it seems like I would like the M65s more. Looks like im going with the M65's
Lzwb
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Joined Dec 6, 2012 Messages 354 Reaction score 198jimmer_5 said: This is the video that gets posted whenever anyone asks which Creamback to get. Listen to it with good headphones or through a decent stereo so you can hear them properly. In full disclosure, based on this video, I bought the H75's and I don't care for them. Popular opinion tends to be to go with the M65, and I think that probably would have been the right decision for me as well. The overall opinion seems to be that the H75 has more presence, and the M65 has more bass response. If I had to do it again, I would go with the M65. Right now, I am happy with my Vintage 30's, so I haven't explored it further. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du5sn1wtZWA Click to expand...Based off of that video, I prefer the H75, but people always say the M65s are better, and based off of peoples descriptions, it seems like I would like the M65s more. Looks like im going with the M65's Also one more thing, I chose to get a 16 ohm cabinet when I ordered from avatar, so when I buy my M65s, do I need to get two 8 ohm speakers or two 16 ohm speakers? it would be two 16 ohm correct?
Lzwb
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Joined Dec 6, 2012 Messages 354 Reaction score 198 Don't know why that posted twice... I hit edit and updated it and it put my edit in a new post
deadbeat
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Joined Dec 28, 2012 Messages 383 Reaction score 400Billy4269 said: Also one more thing, I chose to get a 16 ohm cabinet when I ordered from avatar, so when I buy my M65s, do I need to get two 8 ohm speakers or two 16 ohm speakers? it would be two 16 ohm correct? Click to expand...If you want to keep the cab at 16 ohms, you need to get 2 8ohm speakers and wire them in series. If you'd rather change the cab to 8ohms, you need to get 2 16ohm speakers and wire them in parallel.
jbash
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Joined Jan 20, 2014 Messages 2,873 Reaction score 5,050 The problem with that video is that if you are going to listen separately, they need to be re-eq'ed for best possible sound. When you mix them you are taking into account both speakers and eq-ing appropriately. I run the lower power version- a EVHG12M20 and a H30 70th.But if you are going to use one or the other, they have to be eq'ed differently to sound their best. My EQ settings are totally different when I run two G12ms, 2 G12Hs, or the Mix. Aac/dcfan87
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Joined Feb 5, 2013 Messages 1,892 Reaction score 1,435 Get the G12M65. I have them in my 2x12 and they're just amazing. They get the job done.
Frogfur
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Joined Jan 18, 2013 Messages 20,013 Reaction score 35,968 One of each. It's over, Wwrc73
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Joined Jan 14, 2010 Messages 1,720 Reaction score 1,436 It's hard to beat the M/H combo. I have tried 2 x G12M, G12H75/G12H55, G12H75/V30, G12H55/V30, 2 x V30, and I always come back to the G12M/G12H combo. In a 2 x 12 configuration I don't think the M/H combo can be beat for classic rock. The G12H75/V30 combo is excellent as well for a slightly more modern sound. Aac/dcfan87
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Joined Feb 5, 2013 Messages 1,892 Reaction score 1,435Billy4269 said: Based off of that video, I prefer the H75, but people always say the M65s are better, and based off of peoples descriptions, it seems like I would like the M65s more. Looks like im going with the M65's Also one more thing, I chose to get a 16 ohm cabinet when I ordered from avatar, so when I buy my M65s, do I need to get two 8 ohm speakers or two 16 ohm speakers? it would be two 16 ohm correct? Click to expand...2 8 ohm mine had the multi jack plate
kakao
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Joined Jun 24, 2014 Messages 1,596 Reaction score 692Frogfur said: One of each. It's over, Click to expand...This.
duaneflowers
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Joined Aug 12, 2013 Messages 5,861 Reaction score 7,835 My VOX AC15C1-CM came with a G12M-65 stock and it seemed it took a longer break in time than the Greenbacks. I have a Vox Night Train V112NT-G2 Extension Cabinet with a G12M Greenbacks and those two sound really great together. Not sure if the GB can handle the power you want to throw at it... but its another sweet combination to consider if it can.
LPV
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Joined Sep 22, 2008 Messages 8,865 Reaction score 5,133 I run a creamback with my 45w traynor YBA1 (1987 plexi lead spec convert) and it sounds great.
RAG7890
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Joined Jul 11, 2010 Messages 17,514 Reaction score 31,822Billy4269 said: I bought an avatar 2x12 cab and decided to put v30s in it and I really don't like them, so I'm swapping them out and decided to put in creambacks, I just don't know if I should go with the M65 or the H75. I'm going for a greenback type sound, but I need something with more power. I'll be running this cabinet to a Phaez Sibly EL34 50 watt head Which speaker should I get? Click to expand...Are the V30's broken in? This makes a world of difference IMHO. '65's seem to be a popular choice between the options you are looking at. Good luck.
Bigfoot410
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Joined Oct 19, 2011 Messages 17,989 Reaction score 44,775Frogfur said: One of each. It's over, Click to expand...I agree. Just from that video. The 65s have what the 75s lack, midrange punch. One of each sounds to me like the way to go. They seem that they would compliment each other. R
richedie
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Joined Jan 26, 2008 Messages 1,197 Reaction score 73 V30s are amazing in a 212 ehen broken in. I also love the V30/K100 a lot. The H75 has a fatter and more pronounced midrange than rhe M65. They work well together though. Check out the Redback 150. Its like an H75 blended with an M65.
yamariv
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Joined Jul 25, 2015 Messages 1,758 Reaction score 1,180Frogfur said: One of each. It's over, Click to expand...Have to say the opposite from this, and I'm only commenting about it cause I have one of each in my 212 Avatar. The 3 db difference between the 65 and the 75 Creamback is actually very noticeable to me in a home setting to be honest. So noticeable that I will be changing out one of them so they both match. My other 212's have Greenbacks and those cabs sound so full and even compared to my Creamback cab. The Creamback cab seem very directional and very different sounding depending on which speaker you are infront of, I don't like it at all but to each their own.. Now to decide which Creamback to keep and which to get rid off!!?? Is there a consensus that the 65 is the closest sounding to the amazing Greenback?
RAG7890
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Joined Jul 11, 2010 Messages 17,514 Reaction score 31,822 I am thinking of pairing my Alnico Cream to a G12H5 Creamback............in a 212 Open Back Cab. I wasn't a fan of the G1265 Creamback in a 112 Friedman but to be fair it was new. I do like GB's though...........& V30's. - 1
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