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 | 2010 2011 BMW 5 Series Forum F10  BMW 5-Series (F10) Forums General 5-Series Sedan and Wagon (F10 / F11) Forum Motor Trend: "BMW's Best Six is a Diesel" - 535d |  |
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| 03-23-2011, 06:12 PM | #23 |
PaulBailey@ltbmw General    678Rep 26,876Posts Drives: 2-325 330 2-335 2-Z4 2-135 X5d Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Huntington Beach, CA iTrader: (34) Garage List2008 BMW 335i E90 [7.00]2011 BMW 335i E92 [7.96] | awesome! |
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| 03-23-2011, 08:18 PM | #24 |
e90diesel Enlisted Member  0Rep 31Posts Drives: bmw 335d sold Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Oregon iTrader: (0) | Quote: Originally Posted by maswastage  I noticed the article also misidentifies the 535d's engine: unless I've missed some new development, BMW's N57 is their latest diesel, but it is a single turbo used in the 330d and developing 245hp. The more powerful sequential turbo engines are designated M57 and they're actually not as new as the N57s. Given the 535d uses the sequential turbo setup, I think it's actually running a variant of the M57. It's interesting how there's the same sort of "N55 vs N54" relationship between the two engines: the N57 is technically newer and more advanced, but the M57 seems to be the choice for BMW's more powerful models. | I'm kinda puzzled, I thought the N57 was offered in two variations, the 30d and 40d (x5 as an example) I thought the 40d was a single turbo with twin scroll technology. I looked at the specs listed at BMW.CO.UK and sure enough it lists the 535d as a twin turbo, same with the x5 40d. 30d is listed as a turbo. The funny this the 30d and 40d are rated at the exact same mpg. From my understanding the N57 is more fuel efficient that the M57. So if the 535d is a M57 how could it get the same MPG as the 530d N57? Very strange. Hopefully a knowledgeable Euro member can shed some more light on this. I'm holding out for one of these engines in a X3 for the USA, |
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| 03-23-2011, 10:22 PM | #25 |
hubble bubble Captain   17Rep 680Posts Drives: 2008 335i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Calgary, AB, Canada iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by drummer12 If this 535d comes to the states...I'll essentially have my dream car. (okay, not an M3/M5, but this one is actually functional/powerful/sensible (mpgwise/costwise)) p.s. anyone ever notice the European countries always get better looking rims than the states?? this one included | I could see a 335d or 535d as my next car. After an M, it would be a dream car. BMW will have to bring a range of diesels to NA in order to meet the 2016 milage legislation. |
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| 03-24-2011, 02:57 AM | #26 |
highfive Private    5Rep 62Posts Drives: E46 330Cd *sold* / F10 535d Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Germany iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by e90diesel From my understanding the N57 is more fuel efficient that the M57. So if the 535d is a M57 how could it get the same MPG as the 530d N57? Very strange. Hopefully a knowledgeable Euro member can shed some more light on this. | on my invoice for the 535d it says 'N57 3.0d' they dont mention 'twin turbo' anywhere in the UK or German catalogue (but they do for the 550i) so it's probably a twin scroll. Last edited by highfive; 03-24-2011 at 03:11 AM.. |
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| 03-24-2011, 04:25 AM | #27 |
| jinmadrid New Member 2Rep 14Posts Drives: 535D M Sport F11 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Madrid iTrader: (0) | I have to agree. I wasnt sure what I was getting myself into at first. I had an Audi A5 3 litre TDI Quattro before changing for the 2011 535D saloon M Sport. But I can honestly say that the engine so far has been absolutely pefect. Lots of power and Im getting an average 34 mpg. The car just has no fault as far as I can see. Well maybe the compñlicated Rear Seat Entertainment could be easier to use........ But mechanically, I have never driven such a sound and fun car. |
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| 03-24-2011, 11:08 AM | #28 |
| e90diesel Enlisted Member 0Rep 31Posts Drives: bmw 335d sold Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Oregon iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by highfive on my invoice for the 535d it says 'N57 3.0d' they dont mention 'twin turbo' anywhere in the UK or German catalogue (but they do for the 550i) so it's probably a twin scroll. | Thanks for clearing that up for us. |
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| 03-24-2011, 12:06 PM | #29 |
positiveions Lieutenant General   978Rep 11,724Posts Drives: 19 Tacoma, 16 Golf wagon Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upland, CA iTrader: (2) Garage List2019 Toyota Tacoma [0.00]2016 VW Golf Sports ... [0.00]1998 BMW M3 [0.00]1990 BMW 325is [0.00] | i have to admit, i don't mind owning one. |
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| 03-24-2011, 01:51 PM | #30 |
palpatine_us Banned  66Rep 164Posts Drives: 535i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New York iTrader: (0) | The 335d must not be selling well if there are so many loaners. Maybe that's why they won't bring the 535d to the states- everyone says they want one, nobody buys it. By the way, did anyone notice that diesel is 15 to 30 cents higher than premium- at least here in NY/NJ. |
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| 03-24-2011, 02:36 PM | #31 |
OC Guy General  559Rep 18,123Posts Drives: AW 335D E90 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Irvine/Aliso Viejo, CA iTrader: (9) Garage List2007 335i [0.00] | Quote: | Originally Posted by palpatine_us The 335d must not be selling well if there are so many loaners. Maybe that's why they won't bring the 535d to the states- everyone says they want one, nobody buys it. By the way, did anyone notice that diesel is 15 to 30 cents higher than premium- at least here in NY/NJ. | You do realize loaners are a great way to sell/market a car, right? __________________  Current: 2010 Alpine White 335D LCI l 19" BBS LMs l KW V2 Coilovers l BMW Performance Grilles l MSport Front/Rear l Karbonwerke Trunk l F1 Pinnacle Tint 35% Former: E92 Space Grey 335i Latest pics |
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| 03-24-2011, 03:53 PM | #32 |
| listerone First Lieutenant 11Rep 345Posts Drives: 2018 BMW 540d Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Connecticut iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by palpatine_us By the way, did anyone notice that diesel is 15 to 30 cents higher than premium- at least here in NY/NJ. | In the winter...at least in the Northeast....the price of diesel is 15 cents (or so) higher than premium largely,I've read,because you're competeing with those who have oil heat (many homes in the Northeast have oil heat) for your fuel.As you may or may not know home heating oil and diesel fuel are all but identical.The rest of the year diesel is within a couple of pennies of Premium. __________________ Current : 2018 540d Formerly: 2014 328d Formerly: 2011 MB E350 Bluetec Formerly: 2009 335d  |
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| 03-24-2011, 04:38 PM | #33 |
jadnashuanh Major  54Rep 1,061Posts Drives: 535iGT x-drive; i3 BEV Join Date: May 2010 Location: USA iTrader: (0) | Don't confuse the US 335d with the European version! The diesels sold in Europe aren't a direct correlation to the US versions. On the GT series for the rest of the world, for example, they have the 530d and the 535d. The engine in the 530d is closer to the US 335d at about 265hp, while the 535d is (as indicated in the article) the 299hp version. In either case, I agree, I would very much have preferred purchasing a diesel version of my new car (to be picked up in Munich late April) verses the gasoline engined version, but, BMWUSA told me there was a chance it might show in the mid-cycle update due late 2012, and it might not...I just couldn't wait longer, as I'd already put it off over a year. |
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| 03-24-2011, 06:20 PM | #34 |
EdM5 Colonel    4103Rep 2,067Posts Drives: G26 i4 M50 & E70 X5 Xdrive35d Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Amsterdam iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by highfive on my invoice for the 535d it says 'N57 3.0d' they dont mention 'twin turbo' anywhere in the UK or German catalogue (but they do for the 550i) so it's probably a twin scroll. | Just pop the hood, and you will find this nice little placque saying "twin turbo"  __________________ 2004 e87 118d (ret.), 2007 e92 330d (ret.), 2007 e87 130i M-sport (ret.), 2009 e92 M3 (ret.), 2010 f10 535d M-sport (ret.), 2015 f10 M5 CP (ret.), 2017 f82 M4 CP (ret.) 2022 g26 i4 M50 & 2009 e70 X5 35d |
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| 03-25-2011, 07:21 AM | #35 |
V_therussian Private  5Rep 66Posts Drives: '06 530 Xi Sport Manual Join Date: May 2009 Location: NYC Area iTrader: (0) | If it makes any difference to BMW, I would also totally buy an F10 535d. But...  somehow, 535d is not sold in the U.S., while the 335d is  __________________ '06 530Xi "STICK" | Sport, Prem, Cold Wthr Packs | Navi, PDC, Adaptive Headlights Mods: Alpina front w Racemesh, OEM Gloss black "nostrils", OEM "M" sideskirts, 19" BBS CK+Hankooks, H&R springs + Bilsten B8 dampers (1.4"front and 1.3" rear drop), RPI scoop+BMC filter, Hoen fogs, Short Shifter, OEM trunk finisher, OEM gloss black exhaust tips, and many many more, AND more to come |
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| 03-25-2011, 11:07 AM | #36 |
| e90diesel Enlisted Member 0Rep 31Posts Drives: bmw 335d sold Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Oregon iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by palpatine_us The 335d must not be selling well if there are so many loaners. Maybe that's why they won't bring the 535d to the states- everyone says they want one, nobody buys it. By the way, did anyone notice that diesel is 15 to 30 cents higher than premium- at least here in NY/NJ. | In 2010 BMW sold 3,800 335d units in the USA vs 4600 335i units. The 335i is available with xdrive the 335d isn't. Not bad numbers considering a market strategy of eco credit and word of mouth. It wasn't until the 2011 Super Bowl commercial that BMW got serious about marketing their diesel technology for the USA. It seems to me that offering the 335d as a loaner is a great way to market the car. What is your point about diesel prices being higher than premium? |
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| 03-25-2011, 01:37 PM | #37 |
| highfive Private 5Rep 62Posts Drives: E46 330Cd *sold* / F10 535d Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Germany iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by EdwinF10 Just pop the hood, and you will find this nice little placque saying "twin turbo" | hahaha. utterly confused now. maybe when you lift the plastic cover there really is only one turbo in there actually i dont really care either way, as long as the performance is there. |
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| 03-25-2011, 03:23 PM | #38 |
Needsdecaf Major General  8494Rep 7,533Posts Drives: 2024 G80 Comp xDrive Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The Woodlands, TX iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by highfive hahaha. utterly confused now. maybe when you lift the plastic cover there really is only one turbo in there actually i dont really care either way, as long as the performance is there. | N54 twin turbo - engine cover has no wording N55 single turbo - engine cover says "Twin Power Turbo". Confusing? Yewbetcha. |
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| 03-25-2011, 09:07 PM | #39 |
amdmaxx My gift Registry: M2  122Rep 1,432Posts Drives: Future Mowner of Monster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA iTrader: (0) | amazing engine. I hope they certify it for US and throw it into 335d.. |
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| 05-15-2011, 05:47 AM | #40 |
| X5Sport Registered 0Rep 2Posts Drives: 2011 X6 40d Join Date: May 2011 Location: Bedfordshire iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by Needsdecaf N54 twin turbo - engine cover has no wording N55 single turbo - engine cover says "Twin Power Turbo". Confusing? Yewbetcha. | I think for the N55 it may be a single 'twin-scroll' turbo system and the redesigned exhaust manifold which divides into two three cylinder sections to feed the turbo. Could be mistaken though. Supposed to improve the breathing. The N57S which I have on my X6 is the 3.0D powerplant with two differently sized turbos to give 306bhp and mated to the ZF 8sp auto. My Dealer told me the 40d had a single twin-scroll system but when I popped the hood at delivery there were two blowers sitting there waiting to play  . Whether they are both twin scroll I have yet to discover. No manual available as the engine won't pass the emission regs and is supposed to be more economical in auto too. All I know is it goes like the wind for a 2-tonne wagon with a top speed approaching 150mph - Yipe!! |
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| 05-18-2011, 12:44 PM | #41 |
| reaper1 New Member 0Rep 25Posts Drives: 535i F10 M Package Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (0) | Still waiting for my 535d...... |
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| 05-18-2011, 01:47 PM | #42 |
| Needsdecaf Major General 8494Rep 7,533Posts Drives: 2024 G80 Comp xDrive Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The Woodlands, TX iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by X5Sport I think for the N55 it may be a single 'twin-scroll' turbo system and the redesigned exhaust manifold which divides into two three cylinder sections to feed the turbo. Could be mistaken though. Supposed to improve the breathing. | The only thing you're mistaken about is the reason for the setup you described, which is correct. The reason to do it is to improve turbo spool time / response. |
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| 05-18-2011, 02:59 PM | #43 |
| dhirm5 Major 185Rep 1,155Posts Drives: 2014 M5 ZCP, 2014 X5 35d Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Bethesda, MD iTrader: (1) | As it happens, I, too am awaiting 535d stateside, as I've mentioned several times in these forums. And I'm absolutely for real. The day the announce it, is the day I go and place my order/deposit. |
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| 05-18-2011, 09:05 PM | #44 |
| Needsdecaf Major General 8494Rep 7,533Posts Drives: 2024 G80 Comp xDrive Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The Woodlands, TX iTrader: (0) | Quote: | Originally Posted by alokdhir As it happens, I, too am awaiting 535d stateside, as I've mentioned several times in these forums. And I'm absolutely for real. The day the announce it, is the day I go and place my order/deposit. | I hope I'm wrong, but I think you're waiting a while. |
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