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A friend is looking to buy one and has asked for my opinion thinking i know everything about car's which i don't lolWould be nice to get an opinion from people who know their vw's, full service history, seller say's he will put 12 months MOT on it and service it before sale. Looks tidy enough in the pics, center cap missing from wheels, having a quick look at others my self you can get the 2.0TDI GT models for the same price but its too costly to insure for him so hes stuck with the smaller engines hence the 1.6, its his second car, coming from a 1.4 pug 206https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2005-Volkswagen-Golf-1-... The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty with an unhealthy appetite for coilpacks and Oxygen Sensors. I've run a mk5 1.6 FSI Golf as my 'shed' for a couple of years. It's been largely reliable save for a few electrical gremlins. Check all the central locking, windows, wipers, and check for rust around the front arches, rear boot handle (vw badge) and the sills near the rear arches. Take it for a test drive including a couple of engine start/stops to check for engine warning lights (get a full fault code readout if you can 
)The engine is what it is, perfectly fine for a normally aspirated 1.6 IMHO. It can be noisy for 2-3 seconds on cold start until oil pressure builds, this is apparently normal according to the manual. 101k miles on mine and none of the problems mentioned above. Can't comment on the diesel alternatives as I wouldn't touch one with a rusty bargepole. cuprabob said: The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty ...Agreed. A really, really dull engine even with a diet of super unleaded. Unhappy to rev and a total absence of low-down torque (although my other cars are V8 and V12 so maybe I'm being unfair). Engine performance aside the car seems well put together and the steering is good.ABS sensor failure seems a well-documented issue. Running costs have been very reasonable. Door lock failure is pretty common and costs around £100 for a genuine VAG lock (don't bother with the Chinese ones!). cuprabob said: The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty with an unhealthy appetite for coilpacks and Oxygen Sensors.Did the A3 (8P) share the same engine? Looks to have had some bodywork, bonnet is crooked. Drivers side looks a bit patchy on the paintwork. (Might have had the wings replaced under warranty, quite common). Looking at the MOT history suggests it is a shed.Failed the MOT on rusty seatbelt mounting at 58k miles. Another MOT fail was headlights way out of alignment, not a big deal? For me that would tie in with the crooked bonnet and show that it has had a crash and been badly repaired. Wouldn't bother. Get a TDI or GTI.FSIs above 80K will be in serious need of a walnut blast to shift the carbon build up on the intake valves. Not a big deal on the 2.0 TFSI engine because the turbo will overcome any restriction, but on the 1.6 n'asp FSI, restrictions from coking will seriously impact the performance. SuperchargedVR6 said: Wouldn't bother. Get a TDI or GTI.FSIs above 80K will be in serious need of a walnut blast to shift the carbon build up on the intake valves. Not a big deal on the 2.0 TFSI engine because the turbo will overcome any restriction, but on the 1.6 n'asp FSI, restrictions from coking will seriously impact the performance.
Insurance. cuprabob said: The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty with an unhealthy appetite for coilpacks and Oxygen Sensors.Im 17 and have the 1.6 FSi Golf 5 as my car. Its cheap on insurance and for £2500 a good car. It’s extremely reliable and has more power than most 1st cars at 115bhp. Its good on fuel on the motorways as it has 6 gear at around 40mpg. But seeing as i shelled out a little more for no black box, i get about 25 around backroads and towns with a heavy foot. The only big downside to this engine is the massive lack of power modifications on the market. All i can find is a ramair pod filter which i have fitted for £50 and a few exhausts. And the most anyone can give it with a tune is an extra 10/15 bhp. So realistically of you want an engine you can mess with get the 1.9 TDi 105 or the 1.4 TSi 122 as they are easy to mod and push more power out of! Taylor.d101 said: Im 17 and have the 1.6 FSi Golf 5 as my car. Its cheap on insurance and for £2500 a good car. It’s extremely reliable and has more power than most 1st cars at 115bhp. Its good on fuel on the motorways as it has 6 gear at around 40mpg. But seeing as i shelled out a little more for no black box, i get about 25 around backroads and towns with a heavy foot. The only big downside to this engine is the massive lack of power modifications on the market. All i can find is a ramair pod filter which i have fitted for £50 and a few exhausts. And the most anyone can give it with a tune is an extra 10/15 bhp. So realistically of you want an engine you can mess with get the 1.9 TDi 105 or the 1.4 TSi 122 as they are easy to mod and push more power out of!Decent 1st car! 1.4 TSI 122 is a better choice than the 1.6 FSI if going with petrol. AI1694 said: 1.4 TSI 122 is a better choice than the 1.6 FSI if going with petrol. When new yes, but on the Used market I'm not so sure. The 1.4 TSI is plagued with timing chain issues which can cost a fortune to resolve so you have to tread very carefully to ensure you're not buying a problem car. va1o said: When new yes, but on the Used market I'm not so sure. The 1.4 TSI is plagued with timing chain issues which can cost a fortune to resolve so you have to tread very carefully to ensure you're not buying a problem car.I was under the impression the 1.4 TSI engines that suffered with chain issues were the twincharger 150/170 variants and not the turbo only 122. AI1694 said: I was under the impression the 1.4 TSI engines that suffered with chain issues were the twincharger 150/170 variants and not the turbo only 122. Nope they’re all equally bad, mine was a nightmare a few years ago. Unfortunately as soon as they start making that slight rattle at startup it’s game over and you can expect chain problems. Not wanting to contradict the wealth of internet knowledge of the much maligned 1.4TSI, but my 2007 GT TSI 170 has now reached 250,000 miles. I have just had the timing chain replaced for the second time, at the realistic cost of £500 (the kit is £150, plus labour and replacing the oil/filter). It runs as good as new and uses virtually no oil between services. It should now be good for a further 100,000 miles. spiralp said: It runs as good as new This I agree with for sure! I remember mine felt extremely good to drive after it had a new chain, was almost like a new engine. Goes to show that when it’s in ill health it does effect overall running. I was unlucky to then have the turbo fail a couple of months later 
I subsequently changed it for a Mk5 GTI which arguably has a more robust and simpler engine cuprabob said: The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty with an unhealthy appetite for coilpacks and Oxygen Sensors.But interestingly enough, the 2.0 FSI isn't bad at all.I think the worst engine award belongs to the SDI, or the 2.0 8V from the MK4 'GTI'. Why? That 8v engine is a hell of a lot more reliable, smoother too! Those FSI engines are just the worst! Reply OP Posts Only OP Posts Only Reply OP Posts Only
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[report] [news]Thursday 28th December 2017 A friend is looking to buy one and has asked for my opinion thinking i know everything about car's which i don't lolWould be nice to get an opinion from people who know their vw's, full service history, seller say's he will put 12 months MOT on it and service it before sale. Looks tidy enough in the pics, center cap missing from wheels, having a quick look at others my self you can get the 2.0TDI GT models for the same price but its too costly to insure for him so hes stuck with the smaller engines hence the 1.6, its his second car, coming from a 1.4 pug 206https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2005-Volkswagen-Golf-1-... cuprabob
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[report] [news]Thursday 28th December 2017 The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty with an unhealthy appetite for coilpacks and Oxygen Sensors. deggles
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[report] [news]Thursday 28th December 2017 I've run a mk5 1.6 FSI Golf as my 'shed' for a couple of years. It's been largely reliable save for a few electrical gremlins. Check all the central locking, windows, wipers, and check for rust around the front arches, rear boot handle (vw badge) and the sills near the rear arches. Take it for a test drive including a couple of engine start/stops to check for engine warning lights (get a full fault code readout if you can )The engine is what it is, perfectly fine for a normally aspirated 1.6 IMHO. It can be noisy for 2-3 seconds on cold start until oil pressure builds, this is apparently normal according to the manual. 101k miles on mine and none of the problems mentioned above. Can't comment on the diesel alternatives as I wouldn't touch one with a rusty bargepole. Hereward
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[report] [news]Saturday 30th December 2017 cuprabob said: The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty ...Agreed. A really, really dull engine even with a diet of super unleaded. Unhappy to rev and a total absence of low-down torque (although my other cars are V8 and V12 so maybe I'm being unfair). Engine performance aside the car seems well put together and the steering is good.ABS sensor failure seems a well-documented issue. Running costs have been very reasonable. PGN
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[report] [news]Friday 5th January 2018 Door lock failure is pretty common and costs around £100 for a genuine VAG lock (don't bother with the Chinese ones!). Amirhussain
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[report] [news]Friday 5th January 2018 cuprabob said: The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty with an unhealthy appetite for coilpacks and Oxygen Sensors.Did the A3 (8P) share the same engine? randomeddy
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[report] [news]Saturday 6th January 2018 Looks to have had some bodywork, bonnet is crooked. Drivers side looks a bit patchy on the paintwork. (Might have had the wings replaced under warranty, quite common). randomeddy
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[report] [news]Saturday 6th January 2018 Looking at the MOT history suggests it is a shed.Failed the MOT on rusty seatbelt mounting at 58k miles. Another MOT fail was headlights way out of alignment, not a big deal? For me that would tie in with the crooked bonnet and show that it has had a crash and been badly repaired. SuperchargedVR6
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[report] [news]Saturday 6th January 2018 Wouldn't bother. Get a TDI or GTI.FSIs above 80K will be in serious need of a walnut blast to shift the carbon build up on the intake valves. Not a big deal on the 2.0 TFSI engine because the turbo will overcome any restriction, but on the 1.6 n'asp FSI, restrictions from coking will seriously impact the performance. randomeddy
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[report] [news]Sunday 7th January 2018 SuperchargedVR6 said: Wouldn't bother. Get a TDI or GTI.FSIs above 80K will be in serious need of a walnut blast to shift the carbon build up on the intake valves. Not a big deal on the 2.0 TFSI engine because the turbo will overcome any restriction, but on the 1.6 n'asp FSI, restrictions from coking will seriously impact the performance. Insurance. Taylor.d101
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[report] [news]Wednesday 30th January 2019 cuprabob said: The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty with an unhealthy appetite for coilpacks and Oxygen Sensors.Im 17 and have the 1.6 FSi Golf 5 as my car. Its cheap on insurance and for £2500 a good car. It’s extremely reliable and has more power than most 1st cars at 115bhp. Its good on fuel on the motorways as it has 6 gear at around 40mpg. But seeing as i shelled out a little more for no black box, i get about 25 around backroads and towns with a heavy foot. The only big downside to this engine is the massive lack of power modifications on the market. All i can find is a ramair pod filter which i have fitted for £50 and a few exhausts. And the most anyone can give it with a tune is an extra 10/15 bhp. So realistically of you want an engine you can mess with get the 1.9 TDi 105 or the 1.4 TSi 122 as they are easy to mod and push more power out of! jakesmith
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[report] [news]Monday 18th February 2019 Taylor.d101 said: Im 17 and have the 1.6 FSi Golf 5 as my car. Its cheap on insurance and for £2500 a good car. It’s extremely reliable and has more power than most 1st cars at 115bhp. Its good on fuel on the motorways as it has 6 gear at around 40mpg. But seeing as i shelled out a little more for no black box, i get about 25 around backroads and towns with a heavy foot. The only big downside to this engine is the massive lack of power modifications on the market. All i can find is a ramair pod filter which i have fitted for £50 and a few exhausts. And the most anyone can give it with a tune is an extra 10/15 bhp. So realistically of you want an engine you can mess with get the 1.9 TDi 105 or the 1.4 TSi 122 as they are easy to mod and push more power out of!Decent 1st car! AI1694
891 posts
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[report] [news]Monday 18th February 2019 1.4 TSI 122 is a better choice than the 1.6 FSI if going with petrol. va1o
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[report] [news]Monday 18th February 2019 AI1694 said: 1.4 TSI 122 is a better choice than the 1.6 FSI if going with petrol. When new yes, but on the Used market I'm not so sure. The 1.4 TSI is plagued with timing chain issues which can cost a fortune to resolve so you have to tread very carefully to ensure you're not buying a problem car. AI1694
891 posts
115 months
[report] [news]Monday 18th February 2019 va1o said: When new yes, but on the Used market I'm not so sure. The 1.4 TSI is plagued with timing chain issues which can cost a fortune to resolve so you have to tread very carefully to ensure you're not buying a problem car.I was under the impression the 1.4 TSI engines that suffered with chain issues were the twincharger 150/170 variants and not the turbo only 122. va1o
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[report] [news]Monday 18th February 2019 AI1694 said: I was under the impression the 1.4 TSI engines that suffered with chain issues were the twincharger 150/170 variants and not the turbo only 122. Nope they’re all equally bad, mine was a nightmare a few years ago. Unfortunately as soon as they start making that slight rattle at startup it’s game over and you can expect chain problems. spiralp
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[report] [news]Monday 25th February 2019 Not wanting to contradict the wealth of internet knowledge of the much maligned 1.4TSI, but my 2007 GT TSI 170 has now reached 250,000 miles. I have just had the timing chain replaced for the second time, at the realistic cost of £500 (the kit is £150, plus labour and replacing the oil/filter). It runs as good as new and uses virtually no oil between services. It should now be good for a further 100,000 miles. va1o
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[report] [news]Monday 25th February 2019 spiralp said: It runs as good as new This I agree with for sure! I remember mine felt extremely good to drive after it had a new chain, was almost like a new engine. Goes to show that when it’s in ill health it does effect overall running. I was unlucky to then have the turbo fail a couple of months later I subsequently changed it for a Mk5 GTI which arguably has a more robust and simpler engine rottenegg
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[report] [news]Wednesday 27th February 2019 cuprabob said: The 1.6 FSI engine is one of the worst engines VW ever produced. Underpowered and thirsty with an unhealthy appetite for coilpacks and Oxygen Sensors.But interestingly enough, the 2.0 FSI isn't bad at all.I think the worst engine award belongs to the SDI, or the 2.0 8V from the MK4 'GTI'. matthew King
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[report] [news]Friday 2nd August 2024 Why? That 8v engine is a hell of a lot more reliable, smoother too! Those FSI engines are just the worst! Reply OP Posts Only OP Posts Only Reply OP Posts Only Gassing Station | Audi, Seat, Skoda & VW | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff
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