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• Thread starter Mookakian
• Start date Jan 17, 2011
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Mookakian

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Joined Jan 18, 2010 Messages 6,601 Reaction score 2,867 Ill have a SV MK1 arriving and with the extra cash i have lest i plan to ditch the Celestion Vintage 30's for something a little bigger in the bottom and melow out the harshness of highs. A common replacement for this seems to be the Celestion GH12 100 I am thinking, as it will cost me around $250 each speaker, why not go the extra $70 and get the Celestion Blue Speakers, i can always put them in a cab down the line when i can afford a Head/Cab. Anyone have any input in this area, I hear good things about Eminence aswell, I am new to the scene of amp mods, might be an easy one but im a dirty virgin in this area, as always i value the input and will put it to practice, cheers for reading

twangydave

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Joined Aug 6, 2010 Messages 1,043 Reaction score 899 Some people, actually lots of people, love the V30s. I found them way too harsh, tight and rigid. Equally, I find greenback to be a little flabby and farty. The middle ground, and the one I like of the 'affordable' celestions is the G12H Anniversary. Celestion | Guitar Loudspeakers

rocknhorse1

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Joined Feb 21, 2010 Messages 8,780 Reaction score 2,766 G12H with the 55hz cone. Or, a Scumback H55...It's a pre-Rolla G12H clone with the 55hz cone. M

Mookakian

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Joined Jan 18, 2010 Messages 6,601 Reaction score 2,867 My thoughts exactly twangydave, a little shrill and not quite there in the lows for what i need, still the V30's are great, after testing amps i found they just do not have the sound im after (heard a few demos online that confirmed this too). Do you know if the G12H Anniversaries any different than the G12H 100 and in what way, sorry for the prying, if only there were speaker stores to test, that would be pretty cool. M

Mookakian

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Joined Jan 18, 2010 Messages 6,601 Reaction score 2,867

rocknhorse1 said: G12H with the 55hz cone. Or, a Scumback H55...It's a pre-Rolla G12H clone with the 55hz cone. Click to expand...

Ah geez, now i learn you can have different cones aswell, or is it just the Scumback that has this feature? Ps, you've been very helpful in my recent questing, thankyou M

Mookakian

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Joined Jan 18, 2010 Messages 6,601 Reaction score 2,867 I have also been wondering, is it not a good idea to add speakers with a higher output rating than the amp eg. 100W speakers in a 40W tube amp?

twangydave

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Joined Aug 6, 2010 Messages 1,043 Reaction score 899 The G12H-100 is no longer manufactured, it has been replaced by the G12K-100. Celestion say that there is no that much difference between the two in highs and mids but the G12K-100 has significantly more low end. The obvious difference between the g12H and g12k-100 is that the former is 30w and the latter is 100w. Check these links to compare the specs G12K-100 Celestion | Guitar Loudspeakers G12H Anniversary Celestion | Guitar Loudspeakers

rocknhorse1

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Joined Feb 21, 2010 Messages 8,780 Reaction score 2,766

Mookakian said: Ah geez, now i learn you can have different cones aswell, or is it just the Scumback that has this feature? Ps, you've been very helpful in my recent questing, thankyou Click to expand...

Typically, you want double the wattage of the amp for your speakers...40 watt amp....80 watt speaker, or two 40 watt speakers. The 55hz cone on the G12H is what Hendrix used. I believe you can get them from Celestion. The regular G12H's have a 75hz cone. I suggested the 55hz cone because of your comment about the low end. This speaker will work wonders for a single coil guitar, but works very well with humbuckers as well. I like them in an open back cab. The highs on these are very smooth.

twangydave

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Mookakian said: I have also been wondering, is it not a good idea to add speakers with a higher output rating than the amp eg. 100W speakers in a 40W tube amp? Click to expand...

I don't know the amp you mentioned you are buying but traditionally you will want a speaker your amp is capable of 'driving' - speaker breakup is an important element in the sound of a lot of great amps. If your amp doesn't push your speakers then you won't get the best out of them. I just checked this and it looks like I'm wrong - the power of the speaker has no bearing on when it breaks up - check this article http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2009/Jan/Controlling_Speaker_Breakup.aspx

twangydave

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rocknhorse1 said: I like them in an open back cab. The highs on these are very smooth. Click to expand...

+1 on open backed cabs - I much prefer the sound. M

Mookakian

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Joined Jan 18, 2010 Messages 6,601 Reaction score 2,867 Its a 40W line 6 Spider Valve mk1 with a mesa V-Twin Pre Amp, combo 2x12'' 1/3 open back. I like the sound of that rockinhorse, i may very well end up with a pair of those! M

Mookakian

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twangydave said: ... the G12K-100 has significantly more low end. The obvious difference between the g12H and g12k-100 is that the former is 30w and the latter is 100w. Click to expand...

Thats good to know, and a good thing for me So will the loading from the 2x 100W speakers do any damage to the amp, and will the 40W amp have enough grunt to push the speakers into their submission? Im trying to make sense, and struggling M

Mookakian

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Joined Jan 18, 2010 Messages 6,601 Reaction score 2,867 I think ill try the 55hz G12 Herritage, looks good to me and geez, i cant argue with hendrix's tone really, still not sure if they are safe to put in the 40W SV MK1... Thanks for the advice, now i have to wait, maybe 8-9 days for the amp to pass through flooded highways and to my door.

AlexLP

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Joined May 12, 2009 Messages 17 Reaction score 10 +1 on the G12H with the 55hz cone. I own a Reaper 55 by W.G.S. and I love it! Rich soft creamy bassy tone. It's worth a look if you want to save a couple bucks! Watch your Tone! | Warehouse Guitar Speaker

rocknhorse1

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Joined Feb 21, 2010 Messages 8,780 Reaction score 2,766

Mookakian said: I think ill try the 55hz G12 Herritage, looks good to me and geez, i cant argue with hendrix's tone really, still not sure if they are safe to put in the 40W SV MK1... Thanks for the advice, now i have to wait, maybe 8-9 days for the amp to pass through flooded highways and to my door. Click to expand...

Good call, you will be happy. Is the amp an all valve amp? If you are using two G12H's, which is 60 watts, you should be ok. What kind of volume are you going to play at? If you're not cranking it full volume all the time, I think you are ok at 60 watts. M

Mookakian

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Joined Jan 18, 2010 Messages 6,601 Reaction score 2,867 I play at pretty high volumes, its a hybrid amp (line 6 modelling pre amp section-Bogner tube power amp section) But i wont be using the Line 6 Pre Amp, ill be using the Mesa V-Twin pre amp into the power Amp input. The 2 celestion V30's in the amp are 60W so this has me wondering if the Herritage Speakers running at half that might not be such a good idea?

rocknhorse1

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Joined Feb 21, 2010 Messages 8,780 Reaction score 2,766

Mookakian said: I play at pretty high volumes, its a hybrid amp (line 6 modelling pre amp section-Bogner tube power amp section) But i wont be using the Line 6 Pre Amp, ill be using the Mesa V-Twin pre amp into the power Amp input. The 2 celestion V30's in the amp are 60W so this has me wondering if the Herritage Speakers running at half that might not be such a good idea? Click to expand...

Well like I said, you will be near the "edge", so I wouldn't crank it all the way and play for an hour. I would think you could play at gig volumes with no issues. Just don't beat on it. The wattage on the V30"s is overkill for a 40 watt amp. M

Mookakian

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Joined Jan 18, 2010 Messages 6,601 Reaction score 2,867 Ok, i guess all there is to do is try them out. Pretty excited about this one, thanks for all your help rockinhorse and twangydave. Now i play the waiting game!

FourT6and2

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Joined Mar 25, 2009 Messages 1,243 Reaction score 491 I'd go with the G12-65's. Like Greenbacks, but handle more power, tighter lows and smoother top-end. E

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