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Thread starter Dr Doom
Start date Mar 15, 2011

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Dr Doom

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Messages 1,480 Opinions? Amp would be a Rivera Venus 5 and/or 6.

DanHorse

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Messages 1,968 What kinda music mate? Well, for me, having played the V30 a few times and owing the G12h-30, its a no brainer. The V30 is BRIGHT, lacking harmonics and just a boring screachy fish wife of a speaker (to me!) The G12 is one of the most rewarding speakers out there if you play a wide range of music, warm, full, lotsa bass, mids and airy highs. It hangs together so well. But then im a little biased, as i REALLY dont like the V30 ;-)

partsocaster

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DanHorse said: What kinda music mate? Well, for me, having played the V30 a few times and owing the G12h-30, the G12 poops all over the V30. The V30 is BRIGHT, lacking harmonics and just a boring screachy fish wife of a speaker (to me!) The G12 is one of the most rewarding speakers out there if you play a wide range of music, warm, full, lotsa bass, mids and airy highs. It hangs together so well. But then im a little biased, as i REALLY dont like the V30 ;-) Click to expand...

I really couldn't have said this any better. The G12H30 is my favorite Celestion. F

Frank Speak

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Messages 1,356 I like the G12M the best usually, but also like the V30 and G12H. They all have their place, as do most speakers. A speaker might suck in one amp and sound great in another. Also, are you looking at the 1x12 combo? If so, the G12H is not an option as it's only a 30 watt speaker and that's a 50 watt amp (Rivera won't do that). Frankly, I would encourage you to listen to clips of the different speakers in the application you're looking at. Here's a clip using the amp you're interested in. Spend some quality time listening through a good set of monitors/headphones. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWK0sa7tlfI B

billstets

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Messages 891 I have a G12H30 and a greenback in my Kingsley 2x12 combo, and it sounds great. That G12H is really really loud though. If I put the Kingsley through my Avatar with two Scumbacks, it's much quieter.

Schroedinger

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Messages 2,125 I think the V30 is thin and bright. I think the G12H30 is thick and muddy. So I really don't like either of them. BUT- they sound magical together in a 2x12. I had a Z Best cab with that combo, and it sounded amazing. Full and rich, yet articulate. If I had to do only one speaker, I'd choose a Greenback or a G12-65. F

Frank Speak

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Aaron Smith said: I think the V30 is thin and bright. I think the G12H30 is thick and muddy. So I really don't like either of them. BUT- they sound magical together in a 2x12. I had a Z Best cab with that combo, and it sounded amazing. Full and rich, yet articulate. If I had to do only one speaker, I'd choose a Greenback or a G12-65. Click to expand...

I had that same setup and it did sound quite good. I was running a Rt. 66 head through it. See, here again it just depends on the application. And of course, all of our ears are different. Well, except mine and yours. Apparently, they hear the same.

Pinelake

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Messages 670 I have a Venus 5 and at first I wasn't sure about the V30. I play jazz and blues with an active group. The V30 as it breaks in gets a warmer sound and I do really like it. The V5 is pretty dialable too. I read reviews whereby the V30 was designed to cut through a live mix... and it does so in a great way. I imagine so much depends on what you play musically, instrument, pups and touch. I wont say its the end all to speakers but I think the V30 gets a little bad rap due to lack of break-in time and how it sounds alone compared to fitting in to a band mix.

DanHorse

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Pinelake said: I have a Venus 5 and at first I wasn't sure about the V30. I play jazz and blues with an active group. The V30 as it breaks in gets a warmer sound and I do really like it. The V5 is pretty dialable too. I read reviews whereby the V30 was designed to cut through a live mix... and it does so in a great way. I imagine so much depends on what you play musically, instrument, pups and touch. I wont say its the end all to speakers but I think the V30 gets a little bad rap due to lack of break-in time and how it sounds alone compared to fitting in to a band mix. Click to expand...

I sure can see its use there, of course it does also depend on the kind of music. M

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Pinelake said: I have a Venus 5 and at first I wasn't sure about the V30. I play jazz and blues with an active group. The V30 as it breaks in gets a warmer sound and I do really like it. The V5 is pretty dialable too. I read reviews whereby the V30 was designed to cut through a live mix... and it does so in a great way. I imagine so much depends on what you play musically, instrument, pups and touch. I wont say its the end all to speakers but I think the V30 gets a little bad rap due to lack of break-in time and how it sounds alone compared to fitting in to a band mix. Click to expand...

This is all true. Also depends which model of the V30 you're talking about. Some are warmer and smoother, some are brighter, and some are chesty and spiky in the mids. YMMV. J

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Messages 2,300 I have a 1960 AV cab and it says Vintage speakers by Celestion - I've heard these are the V30 and I'm surprised because these sound very warm with my Marshall Plexi's. I don't get the ice pick or mids spike, etc. They sound warm and well-balanced to me. Then again, I don't use too much treble either - failry flat eq. Maybe it depends on many equipment factors and adjustments... I was also surprised at the long list of pros using the V30. I figure I must have the warm and smooth version - I probably wouldn't want them to be any darker. (maybe I should take the back off my cab to make sure!!! got if on closeout from GC for $400 ($440 out the door - sweet). I'd like to experiment if possible someday with Greenbacks and Heritage (2 GB did not cut it for me in a BluesBreaker combo in the 1990's - they farted out and couldn't gig with it)... Those 1960 AHW cabs with the G12-H are so nice looking... Last edited: Mar 15, 2011

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jboyjams said: I have a 1960 AV cab and it says Vintage speakers by Celestion - I've heard these are the V30 and I'm surprised because these sound very warm with my Marshall Plexi's. I don't get the ice pick or mids spike, etc. They sound warm and well-balanced to me. Then again, I don't use too much treble either - failry flat eq. Maybe it depends on many equipment factors and adjustments... I was also surprised at the long list of pros using the V30. I figure I must have the warm and smooth version - I probably wouldn't want them to be any darker. (maybe I should take the back off my cab to make sure!!! got if on closeout from GC for $400 ($440 out the door - sweet). I'd like to experiment if possible someday with Greenbacks and Heritage (2 GB did not cut it for me in a BluesBreaker combo in the 1990's - they farted out and couldn't gig with it)... Click to expand...

It may be because it's in a closed back cab. I HATE V30's in open backed cabs but in a closed back Mesa 2x12 rec cab the V30's kill (IMO of course). What I ended up doing was pulling the G12T-75's out of my 1960 4x12 and replacing them with the 2 V30's from the Mesa and 2 Heritage G12H-30's in an X pattern. It sounds phenomenal. L

lazyrabbit

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Messages 348 Only V30s for me. Nothing makes my ENGL roar better than these beastly midboosted monsters.

Guinness Lad

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Messages 15,853 Depends on the amp of course but for me it's near impossible to beat a worn in V30. I dislike sizzling highs and bloated bass which is the Anniversaries trademark or so it seems every time I try one. Most amps have lots of highs and ample bass so if yours is the same I would not get an Anniversary. Right now I have a 96' V30 in my Chieftain (came with amp) and just put a V30 into a 1x12 I'm using with my Clubman. What a great fit with these amps.

jboyjams

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donnievaz said: It may be because it's in a closed back cab. I HATE V30's in open backed cabs but in a closed back Mesa 2x12 rec cab the V30's kill (IMO of course). What I ended up doing was pulling the G12T-75's out of my 1960 4x12 and replacing them with the 2 V30's from the Mesa and 2 Heritage G12H-30's in an X pattern. It sounds phenomenal. Click to expand...

That does sound like a sweet combo - I think I saw that Avatar also recommended that same combo for their cabs. It could be due to the 20 year break-in with lots of volume, but my 4502 (1990 I think) Marshall tube combo has Celestion 12-75's in it and Man does that thing sound good. I keep the Presence off, Bass way up and Mid and Treble around noon - Normal Channel A - wow. Like they say - certain speakers work with certain amps, etc... M

MGSchindel

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jboyjams said: I have a 1960 AV cab and it says Vintage speakers by Celestion - I've heard these are the V30 and I'm surprised because these sound very warm with my Marshall Plexi's. I don't get the ice pick or mids spike, etc. They sound warm and well-balanced to me. Then again, I don't use too much treble either - failry flat eq. Maybe it depends on many equipment factors and adjustments... I was also surprised at the long list of pros using the V30. I figure I must have the warm and smooth version - I probably wouldn't want them to be any darker. (maybe I should take the back off my cab to make sure!!! got if on closeout from GC for $400 ($440 out the door - sweet). I'd like to experiment if possible someday with Greenbacks and Heritage (2 GB did not cut it for me in a BluesBreaker combo in the 1990's - they farted out and couldn't gig with it)... Those 1960 AHW cabs with the G12-H are so nice looking... Click to expand...

The Marshall oem Vintages are the original english design of the V30 and are still made in england today. Once broken in they can be very warm and fat sounding, with sweetly rolled-off treble. The Marshall Vintages are not chesty and spikey like some other v30s, but do sound hard on top until well broken in. After that they're smooth. Also the Engl amps were voiced around V30s specifically, and don't sound as good with most other speakers, just like a Bogner 101B or a Marshall Jubilee amp. Their eq voicing was designed around the V30. D

Dave

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Messages 3,547 I like them both, but lean toward the Vintage 30 in most cases. I think a lot of the bad reviews it gets come from people who are sitting in front of their amp playing alone and not necessarily using it in a live band setting, which is where the V30 really shines. Just a theory. F

Frank Speak

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harryjmic said: Depends on the amp of course but for me it's near impossible to beat a worn in V30. I dislike sizzling highs and bloated bass which is the Anniversaries trademark or so it seems every time I try one. Most amps have lots of highs and ample bass so if yours is the same I would not get an Anniversary. Right now I have a 96' V30 in my Chieftain (came with amp) and just put a V30 into a 1x12 I'm using with my Clubman. What a great fit with these amps. Click to expand...

Are those open back or closed back?

Guinness Lad

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Frank Speak said: Are those open back or closed back? Click to expand...

Both open back, the chieftain is a combo and the 1x12 is a 1'2 open cabinet. Not overpowering bass but I hate slamming bass anyway...it's pointless. blackba

blackba

Silver Supporting Member Messages 13,310 Doing by your name as Dr Doom I assume you play Doom music. If so then I would go with the V30. One thing to keep in mine. There are numerous G12h30's and Vintage 30's and they all sound different. I am probably leaving a few out, but you will get the idea. G12H30's: -Celestion anni G12H30 -Celestion Heritage 75Hz G12H30 (new) -Celestion Heritage 55Hz G12H30 -Vintage Celestion G12H30's Vintage 30's - Made in UK V30's - Made in China V30's - Mesa V30's - Marshall Vintage V30's - Avatar Hellatone 60L V30's.

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